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Thread ID: 38116	2003-09-27 22:52:00	wot is the definition of broadband?	jackyht (3685)	Press F1

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178482	2003-09-28 08:46:00	Do you remember,in admin a Peter Mcleod Terry?or a Bob Brockie.	Thomas (1820)
178483	2003-09-28 09:06:00	I remember Peter Mcleod, Thomas, he was in PEL, but moved on. I think to head office. I'm not sure where Bob Brockie was, dont think it was PEL? , as you know he writes a column in the Dominion Post.	Terry Porritt (14)
178484	2003-09-28 09:17:00	> It's not broadband til you can do what you're > supposed to be able to do with it. Eg, streaming > media. With streaming video when you use the (the 125 k or 128 k option (or when the site choose to use the 125 or 128 k option) on Jetstream Starter the video gets very very laggy! Which sucks so you have to use the 56 K option to watch any video! :(, that is what I have found out....	stu140103 (137)
178485	2003-09-28 12:40:00	Wouldn't that be because of Telecom's advertising? Jetstream Starter: 128KB/s * * 128KB/s is maximum burst speed, shared among all other users connected to your exchange Something like that, anyway...	agent (30)
178486	2003-09-29 00:45:00	I thought true broadband is something like this . . . u've a 256K connection . . you want to download a huge file . . u split the files into 3 seperate downloads . . . if you get 256K download speed for each files simultaneously then it's true broadband? If the speed is like 256K divided by 3 . . say 125K for one, 65K for the other two . . . then it's not true broadband ? Assuming the server on the other side is capable of such output . Correct me if I am wrong . .	SKT174 (1319)
178487	2003-09-29 00:47:00	> Wouldn't that be because of Telecom's advertising? > Jetstream Starter: 128KB/s * > > * 128KB/s is maximum burst speed, shared among all > other users connected to your exchange > > Something like that, anyway... hmmmm, is that true????	stu140103 (137)
178488	2003-09-29 02:29:00	Just to take the subject a little off line again . > Its interesting to look at the influence > manufacturers are able to exert on Standards > overseas, there is quite an interesting subculture . > Its not dishonest or anything, its just how companies > have managed to have standards written around their > product, to the partial exclusion of other > equipment . > > Fortunately we don't see that here, but thats more a > sign that we don't manufacture much . Also the > manufacturers here have not traditionally taken an > active role in the standard setting process . Ah yes, but, we do see that here . Example, untreated timber used in buildings to the cost of owners, designers, territorial authorities and builders (and that cost is rising as you view this) . The NZ standard was changed at the behest of forestry and mill owners who had people on the committee and, as per TP, to the disgust of independent scientists and some in the industry Boron treatment was dropped as a requirement . Hence leaky building syndrome became a decayed and very costly one . That's the danger of standards in isolation and lack of prescription in others . Another point re standards is that, it is very costly to have an influence on a standards committee . Anybody with the right knowledge does not come cheap and without sponsorship, of some kind, the big players are the only ones able to afford technical input . That "good" standards are needed and need to be applied is, in my view, unquestioned . No doubt there is a standard that Telecom applies to its Telepermit, it just makes me uncomfortable that they both apply and police the standard . Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
178489	2003-09-29 03:27:00	> hmmmm, is that true???? No, it's not exactly like that, but there is something like that... Taken from a page on Telecom's website about Jetstream Service Reliability (www.telecom.co.nz): Xtra JetStream users and other customers using the IP (Internet Protocol) network share bandwidth through the network. This means the Internet service performance you experience is affected by the activity of other users on the network. For example, at peak times the performance of the Internet service can be significantly slower than at off-peak times. And while the internet is slower at peak periods for all internet users, on Jetstream, if there were eighty users downloading large files, your connection would be slowed substantially more than eighty users downloading the same files on dialup (provided you used Jetstream when they did, and dialup when they did, of course...) I hope that made sense. :D	agent (30)
178490	2003-09-29 03:29:00	Oh, curse that wrapping problem with copied/pasted text in code format... just when I'd forgotten about it	agent (30)
178491	2003-09-30 02:39:00	A Telepermit is just that: it's a permit to connect the device to the telephone system. It means that the gear has shown to Telecom's satisfaction that it won't electrocute Teleom workers or burn out the exchange equipment. There are a few sections of the prescription (like the maximum signal power at various frequencies) which reduce the chances of interfering with other people's use of the system (especially those who use pairs in the same cable), or might interfere with the systme controll frequencies. There are items of the regulations which apply to offensive use (such as attack dialling --- which is illegal because it can cause nuisance to the victim) but they are in the Telepermit code because automatic diallers (modems) can commit the offence. But a Telepermit does not specify the bandwidth on your line. Bandwith, as far as the telephone company is concerned, is what is required for a single telephone conversation. A regular telephone connection is good for 2400 baud data transmission. Any more is a matter of luck, unless you are willing to pay more for it. 56kbit/sec is an extreme pushing of the technology. What an ISP company calls "broad" bandwith is a matter between their consciences and their marketing ethics. :D	Graham L (2)
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