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Thread ID: 38116	2003-09-27 22:52:00	wot is the definition of broadband?	jackyht (3685)	Press F1

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178462	2003-09-28 01:33:00	> Has anyone read about > this (www.idg.net.nz > 4C9CC256C1B007E1A92).. Bet the Commerce > Commission are kicking themselves now Yep I have to agree with you there! I wish they did survive then NZ would of had a better broadband system then what we have know!!! Maybe…	stu140103 (137)
178463	2003-09-28 01:33:00	Metla. Thankyou. That answered the original question for me. PJ :D	Poppa John (284)
178464	2003-09-28 01:43:00	The disgusting state of telecommunications in New Zealand... disgusts me. I now have a technological question though: If we were to all buy a modem, phone, ADSL router, etc from overseas that matched exactly the specifications for NZ's network, but it did not have an NZ Telepermit, there isn't any way Telecom could actually find out that we are using equipment without a Telepermit without actually physically sending someone around who would then exclaim "oh, you naughty beast! You've been using equipment on our precious network which we haven't certified - despite the fact it complies to al our standards, I'm going to have to punish you with some form of punishment now". Hope that made sense.	agent (30)
178465	2003-09-28 02:09:00	Telecom would not know or care, provided the devices did not compromise the integrity of the network. If the devices did cause problems, all users would be affected as the network reliability would be history. Your duty of care to use approved devices is therefore towards other users, not Telecom per se.	godfather (25)
178466	2003-09-28 02:27:00	Ah, so it's one of those cases then...	agent (30)
178467	2003-09-28 03:30:00	I guess to keep things fair, you have to keep to the standards, which a lot of things are not kept to. Telepermits is not just so Telecom can keep you within a certain range of products, it's so Telecom can keep providing it's service to all customers without the problem that a device is going to affect the whole service of Telecom. Similar to Microsoft's approved drivers for certain Operating Systems, they are trying to make sure that manufacturers are keeping to a set standard so that users of Microsoft will not lose their operability in the software. Not all vendors conform to this, plus it's time consuming to get their software analysed by Microsoft. I believe their should be standards set in place, and that people should stick to them. You'll find that standards are set in most places, and if not kept to them, usually you'll face the consequences of this. By the way, if you use a non telepermitted device and it brings down the networks, you will face the consequences of paying for it. Not something you would want to do.	Kame (312)
178468	2003-09-28 03:52:00	Of course, it's a large musical group whose players are women. ]:) Similar to: brass band (it's the instruments), rock band (where there's at leastt one troll in the group), big band ... etcetera. B-) A rubber band is something quite different, although it can be an important component of a musical instrument. :D When will people learn that "standards" and "definitions", especially in the marketing, and computer "businesses", are liable to "improvement", "interpretation", and other modifications which copuld also be called "lies"?	Graham L (2)
178469	2003-09-28 03:53:00	Well expressed Kame. So many people view "standards" as unneccesary rules that they don't need to comply with. In almost all cases they are protection for the customer, not an imposition of something to make life expensive or difficult. Take ADSL. If standards were not adhered to, how happy would the people be if one customer took down the ADSL signal for a whole block, simply by using non standard equipment that created high cross-talk in the cable? Because there are Standards, its actually quite hard to buy non standard equipment (as there is no market) so its effective in that manner as well. If there was widespread disregard for standards, then there would be a market, and chaos would reign. As I sit on several such Standards committees both here and overseas, I know the reasons behind a lot of the requirements. Its frustrating to hear the opposition to standards being mandatory, when those complaining would be the first to blame "the system" when their modem stopped working, or their power kept going off.	godfather (25)
178470	2003-09-28 04:13:00	Don't really know why I'm saying this, but: my modem has a telepermit, but every time it picks up the line to dial up or disconnect, any sound playing will cease - I was under the impression this was just my modem, but I found out it also occurs when my NIC cable gets disconected, so it might be the PCI bus or my mobo... Vector disconnected power to a few houses in my area the other day for an hour (my parents house included) in order to connect up a new building site next door, but failed to give us any notice whatsoever. So yes, standards are all very fine, as long as both sides of the parties involved comply with them.	agent (30)
178471	2003-09-28 04:27:00	> Vector disconnected power to a few houses in my area > the other day for an hour (my parents house included) > in order to connect up a new building site next door, > but failed to give us any notice whatsoever. > > So yes, standards are all very fine, as long as both > sides of the parties involved comply with them. Absolutely agree. Thats a "residential customer supply agreement" issue. And have you contacted your electricity retailer to see what compensation applies? Some retailers now have such payments to customers when they are disconnected without prior warning, for other than emergencies or faults. Vector would in this case be required to pay (via your retailer) the penalty, provided it is offered by your retailer as part of their conditions of supply.	godfather (25)
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