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Thread ID: 38176	2003-09-29 19:47:00	OT - Do geeks do drugs???	robo (205)	Press F1

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179085	2003-09-30 22:12:00	But that seems to be the problem, Veale. P and E are examples of drugs where moderation is not an option. They send you somewhere that makes moderation almost impossible. Not having taken them, I speak without any real authority but I get the feeling that the first one is like the first step off a cliff, there aren't any opportunities to change your mind until you hit rock bottom. And although I utterly loathe the idea of Nanny State controlling what I can and can't do, I acknowledge that the world is full of people who aren't too bothered about consequences of their actions. People can do stupid things in their car, with their guns, and on their skateboard without drugs to assist, but they get even worse with a bit of methamphetamine in their bloodstream (and alcohol, etc, I know). If someone has little regard for themselves then how much are they going to have for people they haven't met but could run over, rape, or beat to death? I don't want to live in a world where they have blue lights in toilets to stop people shooting up, where the stalls in Mcdonalds are four foot high to stop it happening, where we have bars on our windows, and so on. The loss of money, burglary, and violence that seems to go along with drug use spreads the area of impacts widely to beyond those into the scene. Conversely, people on the street aren't worried about geeks playing counterstrike at lunchtime or invading fortress europe after they put the kids to bed. We don't rob houses to pay for our online charges. We don't turn to prostitution to finance a new graphics card or memory upgrade. We don't even break into Central Park to steal the latest game. Is this starting to sound like a sermon? I apologise if it is. I guess fundamentally I just don't get the whole drugs thing, soft, semi-soft, or hard. robo.	robo (205)
179086	2003-09-30 22:13:00	> Everything in moderation and things will be fine Don't know about it personally, but that is a statement that is true, whether it be applied to drugs, work, spending, play, etc...	agent (30)
179087	2003-09-30 22:16:00	> Come-on people, you cannot seriously say you haven't > experimented with drugs at some time, remember, the > first step is admitting it. Nope, and there will never be a first step to taking them either. If your friends will only accept you if you do drugs, then they're not really worth having as friends. I do know a few people who do P regularly, and they're cool with me not doing it too.. what they do in the comfort of their own home is not my business. I have to agree with Heather here... Ive seen what it can do and could never go near it. Robo > I read that basically if you run out of oxygen in parts of the body, then your limbs basically can start rotting away and/or fall off....?	Chilling_Silently (228)
179088	2003-09-30 22:19:00	> > Everything in moderation and things will be fine. > Sorry Veale, everyone with major problems started > with exactly that thought. Says who? The fact is, some people can handle it, some can't. Not everyone who uses drugs becomes addicted. Its because of the ones that become addicted and resort to illegal activities to support their habit that gives drug-taking a bad name. Some people take drugs on the odd occasion have a great time and harm no-one, whats wrong with that? Veale	Veale (536)
179089	2003-09-30 22:34:00	Veale, Reread it. I didn't say that everyone who starts has major problems, but that everyone who started thought they wouldn't have problems. My neighbour's son tried drugs. It's too late now to ask what he tried and for how long - all we know is that it reacted with his system and caused major mental health issues. He was ill for several years. A year ago he found a rope and a tree and killed himself.	Heather P (163)
179090	2003-09-30 22:35:00	> If your friends will only accept you if you do drugs, > then they're not really worth having as friends . Ha! :^O , I find that highly amusing, you sound like my mother! I do drugs to enjoy myself, not get acceptance from my friends! Let me clear things up robo, their are different levels of drugs, personally I would never try P, i think that is a drug that shouldn't be touched . Im talking speed,E, pot, LSD, amyls etc, the softer drugs! :p . Anyway, this is starting to turn into a moral debate . I rest my case . Veale	Veale (536)
179091	2003-09-30 22:59:00	Naaaww.. We're not knocking you, its up to you aye. Personally though, everybody I know who's doing drugs (including a friend who cant go 45 mins without P) started off "soft". Are you telling me that you could Seriously just stop tomorrow and never touch drugs again to get a high? ever? Same goes for cigarettes, its addictive. Now, Im not going to start knocking smokers, but what Im saying here is that if you were offered a million bucks if you went 10 years without smoking or sniffing something etc. could you do it?	Chilling_Silently (228)
179092	2003-09-30 23:01:00	Veale I am not trying to get hugely moral, although it is hard not to sound it. The peer pressure thing is interesting. It works in both directions, someone who is the only one in a group who drinks heavily or farts a lot will feel pressure from others in his circle of friends. I see what kids do when on their own and how they behave when friends are around (MOTAT yesterday, running full speed through the hall of mirrors and flattening themselves against mirrored walls, a case in point). There are 11yo friends of my son that I can see being complete idiots in cars and other things. I am not sure I want my son to risk his life living in the same suburb, let alone being in the car with them driving. I feel peer pressure from friends in areas utterly unrelated to drugs, so why wouldn't it have some impact on decisions to take drugs. If you know nobody who takes them, how do you get started? I find it hard to establish that there are sufficient benefits in these things to outweigh the risks. It isn't just a given drug in isolation, but how they interact with others (including prescribed ones), and the long term effects which are very difficult to quantify. More than half the inmates in psychiatric institutions have drug induced psychoses (perhaps alongside other psychoses but they are there). This has been an interesting discussion. So far, it appears most geeks are clean. robo.	robo (205)
179093	2003-09-30 23:38:00	> Are you telling me that you could Seriously just stop > tomorrow and never touch drugs again to get a high? > ever? > > Same goes for cigarettes, its addictive. Hmm.... Quite frankly, Yes! Depending on the availability of stuff and cost, then I may not touch some for a couple of months. Its not as if I need it to enjoy myself when I go out, it merely enhances what is already a good time. As for smoking, that may be peer influenced for me, you cant help but smoke if you are out at the pub with your friends and 90% of them smoke. Did try and stop them, but if you cant beat em, join em. Veale	Veale (536)
179094	2003-10-01 00:26:00	Hey . . . robo-dude-man . You're on a bad trip there, dissing drugs . Back in the Soulful Days, drugs weren't the enemy . The Man was . And the greedies and square-heads . Nobody else had problems . I know what's wrong . Karma and music are separated . You go to a discotheque and wow, like, you don't get mellow . Doesn't matter how much you try to adjust the mood man, it's not calm in there . Techno . After ten minues of techno, I was ready to slap someone silly with my sandals . You can't really blame everything on drugs when you have techno . It's bits and bytes noise, like, and you can do it on the computer too . Mellow music . Just think Donovan . He made people want to relax and play the guitar . He didn't get them guitar-string garroting each other . Now you got to wear shoes and cut your hair, dude . It's bad . Did you know that you have major pressure points in your feet? Shoes pinch them and short hair chills the karmic receptors in your lobes . Guru Terence used to say: "We wouldn't be here if it weren't for psychedelic drugs . In terms of the role of psilocybin in human evolution on the grasslands of Africa, people not on drugs were behind the curve . The fact is that, in terms of human evolution, people not on psychedelics are not fully human . They've fallen to a lower state, where they're easily programmed, boundary defined, obsessed by sexual possessiveness which is transferred into fetishism and object obsession . We don't want too many citizens asking where the power and the money really goes . Informed by psychedelics, people might stop saluting . 'Take your political party, your job, whatever, and shove it . '" So, yeah, like it's	philoc (4656)
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