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| 179463 | 2003-10-02 00:40:00 | Interesting Pompeymike, the computer I am using for this post has it's primary/master set to HDD1, and the primary/ slave is set to HDD2. This computer BIOS does have a setting of HDD0, but it is unallocated, still for the amount of effort required I will reset the wife's computer primary/master to HDD0 and the new troublesome drive to HDD1. Thanks |
Curly (487) | ||
| 179464 | 2003-10-02 00:45:00 | Good point waynecarp, using win ME here but it does have some form of virus detection in BIOS, which I think is enabled. Will change that and try again. | Curly (487) | ||
| 179465 | 2003-10-02 00:48:00 | A potential boot order problem doesn't explain why the disk isn't visible when the system is booted from a floppy though :| | wuppo (41) | ||
| 179466 | 2003-10-02 03:05:00 | Disabling virus detection made no difference. Changing the boot order to HDD 0 for the primary/master and HDD1 primary/slave for the new drive made no difference. However making the drive secondary/master had it detected during POST but at the very end of POST the message "Secondary IDE channel no 80 conductor cable installed", was displayed. Have not actually counted the wires :-), but replaced the cable to no effect. Anyway let the computer finish boot, went to My Computer and the secondary/master drive was not listed. Went to control panel/system/device mngr/disk drives and sure enough it was there. The primary drive was a type 47, with the new drive showing as a type 80. Now perhaps if someone can help with this missing cable thingy, I could then place the two CDROMS which were on the second channel as slaves, one to each channel. |
Curly (487) | ||
| 179467 | 2003-10-02 04:39:00 | An 80 wire cable is the new cable required for fast (than 66) IDE. Most interfaces will still work with the old 40 wire cables, but they won't run at the maximum speed. The 40 conductor ones are usually grey; the new ones are coloured -- usually (and the wires are noticably thinner). | Graham L (2) | ||
| 179468 | 2003-10-02 07:05:00 | This may be a dumb question Graham L but do some motherboards come with 80 pin IDE primary and secondary sockets as well as 40 pin ? Or perhaps it is all done with some smart electronic stuff and one socket fits all !! Second part of the question, if most interfaces will work with 40 conductors, any idea why our BIOS is telling us that 80 wire was not found, rather than just accepting what is has got and getting on with the job? |
Curly (487) | ||
| 179469 | 2003-10-02 09:13:00 | >hdd0 *must* be set in the boot order for it to work sorry, I'll amend that statement, it will work with hdd0 not set if 'enable other boot devices' is set. curly, don't get 80 wire and 80 pin confused. they are all 40 pin, it's the conductor type of the individual wires that the 80 is referring to. 80 wire conductor cable is a lot thinner, more flexible, and less succeptible to crosstalk and interference, also a helluva lot faster. All new hard drives need 80 wire ata100/133 ide cables to run at maximum speed but they will work perfectly fine on the older cables. If you put the hard drives on the same cable as an older (non-ata100) cdrom it will slow the hard drive down as well, so bear that in mind. If you've already got an 80 wire cable on the second channel and it still says 'no 80 conductor cable installed' try temporarily disconnecting the cdrom and see if it still says it. If that doesn't cure it go on the mobo website and see if there is a fix with a bios upgrade. If you want to check the installation of your maxtor drives and run diagnostics on them you might want to download this maxtor diagnostic tool: www.maxtor.com |
pompeymike (4601) | ||
| 179470 | 2003-10-02 09:18:00 | The 80 core cables have an "earthed" core between each data core. That stops "cross talk" between data cores, and allows the higher speed. The BIOS can detect the existence of the eathed shield cables and if found enables the higher speed. If not found it sensibly limits the speed, to avoid data errors. So its doing you a favour, its getting on with what it can do, but telling you it could do better, if you buy it a nicer cable. The sockets are 40 pin, not 80 pin. They don't need to be. The extra 40 wires are at all signal ground potential. |
godfather (25) | ||
| 179471 | 2003-10-02 09:40:00 | >The 80 core cables have an "earthed" core between each data core GF....you are just so precise ! :-) |
pompeymike (4601) | ||
| 179472 | 2003-10-03 13:02:00 | Your IDE1 Master is hdd0 Master with slave IDE1 Slave hdd1 Slave The Master should be on the end plug & the Slave on the middle one. |
Mzee (158) | ||
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