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180243	2003-10-03 22:19:00	hi again, When I logout of Mandrake I go to "Logout Sam" and then a small icon appears to logout. It then goes back to the Login Screen, I then have to Log in again and then go to "Logout Sam" again. This time it shows a different option where I can shutdown, logout or restart. If this makes sense to anyone how do I get this so I don't have to go thru all those steps just to restart computer. Also I have Kodak CX4230 which I connect via usb. I managed to find a peripheral setting which identified the camera as connected correctly but I dont know how to retrieve the images. I have opened several graphics apps but cant seem to navigate them to the camera. Also I have CD icons and Hard drive icons on desktop. Why are some 'mounted' and some aren't. I know I need to read more so could someone point me to where a very very very basic explanation can be found as I am not sure what 'mounted' means in the linux world. I have searched but I seem to end up with stuff way over my head and I get sidetracked. thanks sam m	sam m (517)
180244	2003-10-03 22:49:00	Sam, have a look at this website, it has the answer to your logout problem. www.openware.co.nz I have a Kodak CX4200 and Mandrake works fine with it. I just plug it in and a program called gtkam opens, check that you have this program installed. Use Mandrake Control Centre - Software Management and search for gtkam. It should ask one of the Mandrake cd´s and install it for you. Not to sure about the mounted/unmounted bit Cheers Rob	rmcb (164)
180245	2003-10-03 23:51:00	Mounting.. here's a pretty quick explanation: Your HDD is now no longer based upon C:, D: etc. Your Operating system and all your files now come from / This is also known as root (Yes.. there's also /root, root the user etc) or Slash. Now, for you to use your CD-ROM, you have to mount it somewhere onto your HDD.. picture it like welding almost. You mount your CD-ROM to your / (usually in /mnt/cdrom actually) and it becomes available for use. Now, when nothing is using it, you are able to unmount it and eject the cd-rom. Mounting must be done as root, except for the likes of KDE's automount. Try the following as root: mount /dev/cdrom /mnt/cdrom This is saying: I wanna mount /dev (where all your device references are located) /cdrom (your cdrom drive) to /mnt/cdrom Then, when you're done, try: eject cdrom or: umount /mnt/cdrom Hope this helps Oh, and your Logout issue is fixed in a later version of KDE. Goto the KDE website if you wanna get the latest :-) Cheers Chill.	Chilling_Silently (228)
180246	2003-10-04 02:21:00	> Now, for you to use your CD-ROM, you have to mount it > somewhere onto your HDD.. picture it like welding > almost. hmm..... I have a mig welder downstairs > You mount your CD-ROM to your / (usually in > /mnt/cdrom actually) and it becomes available for > use. brain is becoming a little clearer, does this mean when i load linux the system identifies my cdrom and dvd rom and 'mounts' them ready for use? sorry but the rest of your explanation is not making sense right now but I am at work so will have a play when home. thanks rmcb for link, I have it printed and will play tonight. cheers sam m	sam m (517)
180247	2003-10-04 03:04:00	The mount/umount commands come from the days when the most common backup medium was magnetic tapes. ½" wide, 2400 ft reels on big spools. Much of the terminology comes from that. A tape has a label on it: a paper one, with an identifier so that operators can tell them apart. As well, the tapes have a "magnetic label" (volume ID) which is readable by the OS when the tape is put on the drive. The mount command put a message on the operator console " Mount tape blah on MTx". The operators would walk to the tape library, get the tape, and put it on the drive, and push the "online" button. The OS might identify the tape as being there, and carry on with the task, or wait until the operators entered an "OK" command. Then files on the tape were available to the job you were running. When finished, you issued a umount command. This could rewind the tape to spin off the takeup reel, and put the drive offline. After that, the files are not accessible. You have mount points which are directories (the modern file structure puts them in a /mnt/ tree). There might not be any files in a mount point directory until there is a device mounted. (usually there isn't). The hardware devices are usually called /dev/something. So you can mount a CD in /dev/cdrom on the /mnt/cdrom point. But you could also put a CD in the drive and mount it on the /mnt/floppy point and it would still work. :D Or to the /mnt point. :D Try "mount -t auto /dev/cdrom /temp". Then "ls /temp". It will work. :D You can mount it to the /bin point, and you will have problems doing things ... the essential files in /bin will become "non-existent" because the /bin files will be the CD :O (You might be able to umount it if umount is in /sbin ... but maybe not). Power off will let you see the automatic disk repair with fsck whenn you start it again. :D The mount point is a "virtual device" . It becomes a real device when you mount a physical drive to it. You can also mount a "virtual device" on it --- through the loopback device. That is , if you have created an iso image to be written to a CD, and want to check it, you can mount it and test it. That file will behave just like an actual CD B-) have a look at "man cdrecord" to see how to do this).	Graham L (2)
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