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Thread ID: 38659	2003-10-14 08:20:00	The future of secure computing	mikebartnz (21)	Press F1

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183181	2003-10-18 20:47:00	I know that everyone says they will boycott the Trusted Computing crap (what makes it trusted when companies don't trust us, their consumers?), but it would seem people have overlooked something. The US government would just absolutely love to have control of what people run on their computers, and have records of what everyone does, because it makes finding terrorists in their own country much easier. It is an extreme invasion of privacy in most normal peoples minds, but what government wouldn't want the ability to monitor their citizens, and technically it might make a safer society. So the chance that a lot of governments would adopt similar stances to those that the US government is looking at is reasonably high. If a 'Trusted Internet' plan was implemented (mind you, it would take a long time), then we might not be able to use the internet. So we set up our own one, you might say. Well, what say telephone companies, ISPs, and other organisations don't allow that... why? Because getting in on the whole trusted computing thing will make large corporations richer, and crush out smaller competitors. Hence the reason why Microsoft, Intel, and a whole load of other greedy companies think it's such a good idea (but they put a pretty cover on it all, excusing it in the name of our safety). You probably know that there are Linux enthusiasts who would like to see Trusted Computing come to Linux, too. If that happens, it won't be hard to avoid; but really, the extent to which Trusted Computing could go is almost all of society. And another reason why it will be harder to evade 'trusted hardware': manufacturers of US equipment, etc, currently export to many countries - including NZ, of course. So the whole 'trusted' thing could end up being globalised (technically it won't be, because of third world nations, poverty, etc, but surely you get my drift).	agent (30)
183182	2003-10-18 22:47:00	That is rather scary. When I first heard about this sort of thing I thought "oh well, I'll just stick to my Beast and not upgrade my hardware since the Beast does all I want it to do" but when they talk about locking me out of viewing other people's emails and files and prohibit connecting old computers to the Internet I will be stuffed. :-( This has all come about because of piracy, has it not? Microsoft, etc have long resented people helping themselves to their software for free and now we are seeing the backlash, only with ten times more sting in it. :O Like Dolby Digital said, hopefully the public's backlash will stop it in its tracks but that won't happen unless everyone does their bit and protests.	Susan B (19)
183183	2003-10-18 23:19:00	I can't see China, for eg, going along with trusted computing unless, there is a trade deal in the wind and the US puts pressure on. TC could well be a motivation for the group of asian Govt's deciding to invest in their own linux distro (China, Japan, Korea, Taiwan and Singapore by memory). I can see STO dragging "their" unix/linux into this one. Yeah! there is only one imperative for TC, controlled market = big bucks. Funny how the anti-monopoly, anti-competative, anti-cartel laws in the US are applied even handidly across the board, not. Your point about access to worldwide private info could be the key to that agent. Soon enough, if we are not careful, we'll all be driving leased M-Intel's with one flat tire and a dodgy engine, GPS tracking (the only reliable part), no seat belt or air bag (only one seat in this baby) and a slot for our debit/ID card because they will need to levy us to, drive on the M-Intel road (on the way to M-Intel grocery store), listen to M-Intel radio and update the tracking sofware. Each year they will put in a smaller petrol tank and a bigger carburator and charge more for the petrol and the registration fee will go up (auto debited of course and paid into the Department of M-Intel coffers). M-Ental, you bet. Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
183184	2003-10-18 23:25:00	> This has all come about because of piracy, has it > not? Microsoft, etc have long resented people helping > themselves to their software for free and now we are > seeing the backlash, only with ten times more sting > in it. :O Piracy, vuruses and worms are only an excuse IMHO, just a happy spinoff to total control over you, a bit of cream on top of the cake ;) Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
183185	2003-10-19 01:12:00	LOL Murray. I don't think it will work all that well. I'm betting people will have cracked it within the week it arrives. You remember what happened with XP, it was cracked on the day it came out. Even Nortons new activation features have been cracked and people are running products from the 2004 suite. The people at MS, AMD, and Intel aren't the smartest in the bunch. Its them against the rest of the world, so I'm betting the TC will be beaten very quickly. They'll probably figure a way to connect some of the bridges on the cpu, and short out the palladium component. ;)	PoWa (203)
183186	2003-10-19 02:04:00	> Piracy, vuruses and worms are only an excuse IMHO, just a happy spinoff to total control over you, a bit of cream on top of the cake Oh I agree, absolutely. But my opinion is that the piracy issue started the ball rolling and in turn gave them an excuse to pick it up and run with it down the entire length of the field. If they get their own way over it there will be no stopping them.	Susan B (19)
183187	2003-10-19 02:25:00	Most likely, yes, but you never should punish everyone for the actions of a few (although illegitimate file sharing is fairly widespread). It's probably one of those situations where software developers purposely build bugs so they can keep their job - except this time you can't put off upgrading.	agent (30)
183188	2003-10-19 03:07:00	> I don't think it will work all that well . I'm betting > people will have cracked it within the week it > arrives . > They'll probably figure a way to connect some of the bridges > on the cpu, and short out the palladium component . ;) Un-flashable regions of the bios and other ROM . I think there will be a run on soldering irons and . Order your container lot now to make some $$ and avoid dissapointment ;) and don't sell/throw out all that old junk you've got in a box, 25 staked 386's could be they way of the future all because they want to kill off More's law, cretins . > > Oh I agree, absolutely . But my opinion is that the piracy issue started > > the ball rolling and in turn gave them an excuse to pick it up and run > > with it down the entire length of the field . If they get their own way > > over it there will be no stopping them . > > > Most likely, yes, but you never should punish everyone for the actions > > > of a few (although illegitimate file sharing is fairly widespread) . Yeah, I agree! Despite the fact that we are already paying for the cost of piracy within the price of the software and they are not content with their 44-50% profit (not margin) on OS's and Office, they want to grab some more . Who's got the stickiest fingers then? Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
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