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Thread ID: 38664	2003-10-14 11:57:00	OT: Adoption and the Legal Side of it...	csinclair83 (200)	Press F1

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183232	2003-10-15 09:24:00	my birth certificatre has my step father on it... so guess they did change it... but mum mentioned she has the "orgininal" birth certificate, so maybe its on that one?	csinclair83 (200)
183233	2003-10-15 09:49:00	Chris, Your biological father's name should still be on the original birth certificate. A second birth certificate may of been issued when the adoption took place with the step fathers name on it. I was legally adopted when I was 10 but my original certificate still has my biological father's name on it. This was never taken back from us. We kept both. So you shouldn't really have a problem. Continue to use your step father's name if you wish (I do) but get hold of the original birth certificate and use that as proof of your dad. Best of luck.	Peter M (852)
183234	2003-10-15 10:01:00	so ur saying i dont need to do anything? if i want to have my true dad on the b/c all i can do is get that orginal and use/have that instead?	csinclair83 (200)
183235	2003-10-15 10:41:00	In 1955 I with the 2 children's Mother adopted them. It was the first time an adoption with the biological Mother was undertaken under new law and the lawyers clerk was meticulous in my grooming and in a tizz because a precedent was about to ensue. The Judge wigged up approached me and took the two children's hands an said "Do you take these two children for better for worse" and smiled benevolently at me.....etc...The Birth certificate was in my name but the law has since been changed to allow the original birth certificate of choice.....That has never bothered me because I know that I was their only Father for most of their lives as one was 2 and the other was 4....NO attempt has ever been contemplated to conceal their true father and today the oldest is 50+ and I an a very happy and contented Father and Grand Father. That was in the High Court Building in Balance ST Wellington.	olldaddy76 (2539)
183236	2003-10-15 22:38:00	Ok, I've done some research. What you can rely on is the Adult Adoption Information Act 1985 - specifically Sections 4 - 6. Upon adoption the Birth Certificate record is changed to show the adoptive parents. The original record is then Closed. It cannot be accessed except in special circumstances. Furthermore if the original birth parent(s) do not want their names released the record is blank until they die. At 20 you are an adult and can apply to the Registrar of Births for the original Certificate of Birth. Unfortunately they won't just send it to you. First you are required to be referred to counseling through the Children and Young Persons Service. After counseling the original certificate will be given to you. Bit of bureaucracy but you will achieve your purpose. The Registrar PO Box 31115 Lower Hutt Ph 0800 225252 Good luck and am pleased to find a definitive answer for you. Cheers Winston	Winston001 (3612)
183237	2003-10-15 23:03:00	Winston I consider your effort to be above and beyond the call of duty. Well done. Not sure I have anything I can slip you as a prize but I am sure your efforts will be appreciated by Chris. I know this whole thing is utterly off-topic, but so what, PressF1 is about people helping people for no reason other than they know they might need help from someone one day. It's sort of like "Pay it forward" for geeks. (roll gooey music with choir in background) Cheers robo.	robo (205)
183238	2003-10-16 00:57:00	Hey.. Yes I am very grateful of the help, support I am getting on this, especially from winston and i am definately thankful...and thanks to all the other posts i have got on this topic as well... Anyway... Your post makes me think that you think my adoption is that i dont know my true father etc...Correct me if i am wrong...And after reading some posts I dont think I've actually told the whole story.. As you know i've been adopted by step father yeah...but it didnt mean to mean that I dont know my true father but i actually do, we speak via emails once a week sometimes once a month depending on his work, but yeah i see him sometimes, and definately do know who he is, have always known.... the main thing I'm actually after is, changing the birth certificate to actually show my true fathers name not step father, and you mentioned counselling, i honestly dont beleive i would need to go do that.. But i really apprecate you going to the effort finding out information on this topic for me..and i hope my breif explantion actually clears abit of this up...	csinclair83 (200)
183239	2003-10-16 01:01:00	Aww shucks..... :8) I can't help much with computers so I try to help on other topics to repay the kindness and patience of PF1 members.	Winston001 (3612)
183240	2003-10-16 21:08:00	Chris - I realise you know your birth father, which is great. For that reason I cannot imagine you having any problem getting the "closed" (sealed) original certificate. Especially if your father went with you to the counseling or gave you a letter supporting your request. A statutory declaration or Affidavit from him would be even better. However if your point is that you want your step-father expunged/removed/replaced on your current birth certificate then I have to refer you back to my first post. I do not think it can be done - or at least not without a lot of time and trouble, if at all. Your adoptive father has rights too and no one is going to remove his name without him being involved. It seems to me that the original birth certificate gives you exactly what you want. True, it is not your current official record and I am not sure if you could use the original for a passport application but it should be sufficient for most purposes. More importantly I think that issue to you of the original would give you peace of mind. As to the counseling - I'm afraid you have no choice. The law requires it. Nevertheless in this case where you know and are supported by your birth father the counseling would be a 15 minute formality. Ring the Registrar on the 0800 number. Hope this helps. Cheers Winston	Winston001 (3612)
183241	2003-10-16 21:53:00	Stand tall Winston... a real Kiwi. Your help made my morning. And best of luck Chris. OldEric	OldEric (3062)
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