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Thread ID: 38815	2003-10-19 07:03:00	Digital Video Cameras	caffy (2665)	Press F1

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184820	2003-10-19 07:03:00	Hi guys, Was today at Harvey Norman's with my sister and brother-in-law, looking at digital video cameras, as they are interested in buying one soon . Anyway, the information given to us by different salesmen at the same shop was very weird . First salesman said "You can't burn more than 5 minutes of data from the video camera onto CD" . Is he seriously implying that only 5 minutes of digital video takes up 700mb? Second salesman said "Your computer needs to have over 100gigs of hard drive space to be able to upload from the camera to computer" ??? I'm pretty sure that most computers have under 100gigs of hard drive space, and are able to use digital video cameras . Third salesman said that "the cd/dvd/vcd with your videos on it *might* not work on a panasonic dvd player" He was referring to the JVC model that my brother-in-law was interested in, and he has a panasonic dvd player . Could you guys please clear up what the requirements are needed, in your computer in order to use a Digital Video Camera and burn it's contents onto CD/VCD/DVD? And whether the contents of the CD/VCD/DVD will work on any brand of DVD players? (providing they can read CDs and VCDs) And could you also please explain about the difference between using USB cables and DV cables? cheers, caffy :)	caffy (2665)
184821	2003-10-19 07:15:00	its more space required than a camera... 18 good quality pics take 18mb approx... and with video, its like dvds....2 hr movie around 4.7gig... so yeah... but 100gig harddrive well if ur gonna upload every single video you make then you would require that much space..but 30gig should be reasonable.. and to burn dvds obviously need a dvd writer... the rest i dunno about..	csinclair83 (200)
184822	2003-10-19 07:26:00	> and with video, its like dvds . . . . 2 hr movie around > 4 . 7gig . . . Yeah, that is what he is intending to do, i think - i . e depending on how long the video is, he'll put it onto whatever form of disc it suits, like if its only 10 mins, it should fit onto a CD, but if 2 hours, then DVD obviously . . . :) > but 100gig harddrive well if ur gonna upload every > single video you make then you would require that > much space . . but 30gig should be reasonable . . Yeah, I don't know where the salesman came up with that big number . Only wanting to use the computer to burn the contents onto CD/VCD/DVD . and then will remove off computer . Just wanted to check all the stuff first with the PF1 people, and clear up confusion :)	caffy (2665)
184823	2003-10-19 07:30:00	> First salesman said "You can't burn more than 5 > minutes of data from the video camera onto CD" . Is he > seriously implying that only 5 minutes of digital > video takes up 700mb? That depends on how much you compress it . On the basis that (on a DVD) 1 hour can occupy up to 4 GB, you would get 10 minutes of equivalent video on a CD . So the statement is reasonably correct . That would not be a standard type of format for a CD to be played in a DVD player though, see below . > > Second salesman said "Your computer needs to have > over 100gigs of hard drive space to be able to upload > from the camera to computer" ??? I'm pretty sure that > most computers have under 100gigs of hard drive > space, and are able to use digital video cameras . Thats an overstatement, as you suggest . If you are going to edit a video, you need at least several times the video size spare . > > Third salesman said that "the cd/dvd/vcd with your > videos on it *might* not work on a panasonic dvd > player" He was referring to the JVC model that my > brother-in-law was interested in, and he has a > panasonic dvd player . True . See point 1 above . For CDs, you need VCD format . Not all players support it . Not all players accept recorded CDs either . For DVD-R, there are different formats and any DVD Writer you might buy will not always be compatable with every DVD player . (DVD +R, DVD -R, DVD RAM) > And could you also please explain about the > difference between using USB cables and DV cables? Do you mean USB and Firewire? USB 2 (High Speed) and Firewire are both fast enough to support video download, USB 2 (full speed) and USB 1 are basically too slow .	godfather (25)
184824	2003-10-19 07:40:00	Yup most digital recordings do need a big hdd. I use a digital cam here with firewire, with one 80 gb ide partitioned into 2. And a 120 gb SATA. (You can also have USB or a card based cam). And it sure does go thru hdd space at a fast rate! Well yup a CD wld be 5 mins I guess. It'll be a lot more on a DVD. I think most cams with USB connections would only be useful, for streamingm (as a webcam as well). NOT for transferring to DVD/CD. As someone has stated its far too slow (if its USB 1.1).	Spacemannz (808)
184825	2003-10-19 07:52:00	> USB 2 (High Speed) and Firewire are both fast enough > to support video download, USB 2 (full speed) and USB > 1 are basically too slow. Oh oh - don't tell me there are different flavours of USB 2 now? And is your point GF that only Firewire or USB 2 (high speed) are necessary for downloading video? Or is normal USB 1 + 2 just a bit slow. Presumably the info gets to the hard drive.	Winston001 (3612)
184826	2003-10-19 08:13:00	Well USB 2 and firewire are the fastest of the 3. Yup USB 1.1 would NEVER be fast enough against the other 2. For video editing anyway	Spacemannz (808)
184827	2003-10-19 08:17:00	> Oh oh - don't tell me there are different flavours of > USB 2 now? Yes . You wouldn't believe it, but all USB 2 are not equal . > And is your point GF that only Firewire or USB 2 > (high speed) are necessary for downloading video? > Or is normal USB 1 + 2 just a bit slow . Presumably > the info gets to the hard drive . You would have to see if the camera would support the slow speed . My feeling is it wouldn't . Think about it, whats the tape drive in the camera going to do, while it waits for the PC to catch up? If it stops, its got to reverse a bit to allow reading the bit it stopped on . Its not like a CD that is spinning and can be acesses randomly, tape is sequential . A bit like a dictaphone typist . Imagine if it was computer data that cannot tolerate an error, starting and stopping like a dictaphone tape while the typist catches up .	godfather (25)
184828	2003-10-19 08:19:00	> Oh oh - don't tell me there are different flavours of USB 2 now? No, there is only one flavour of USB 2 . > And is your point GF that only Firewire or USB 2 (high speed) are necessary for downloading video? Or is normal USB 1 + 2 just a bit slow . USB 1 is too slow . USB 2 is the high speed version of the two and the one that is required . Forget about using USB 1 for this kind of job .	Susan B (19)
184829	2003-10-19 08:24:00	> No, there is only one flavour of USB 2. Uh oh, I may have to take that back since The Expert has said otherwise..... :p :D	Susan B (19)
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