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Thread ID: 129072	2013-01-31 00:43:00	Police hiring, was part of Police Commissioner post	prefect (6291)	PC World Chat

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1325926	2013-01-31 06:58:00	So you're admitting you have no evidence that they don't take the best? Let me spell this out carefully. They addressed barriers to entry for _applicants_. That is: a) They take the best from the applicants they get. b) They tried to encourage a broader pool applicants. If you want to get the best in NZ, you try to make your applicant pool as broad as possible. They recognised that it wasn't broad enough - they didn't feel they were getting the best chance at selecting the best applicants. So they fixed it. There's no PC conspiracy here. It's common sense to have the largest pool you can draw from, as you note with your air force example. I notice that you have at no point stated what you actually think is happening.Tell that to Garys Son who was turned away because they were only taking in recruits from "other" ethnic backgrounds. Pretty easy to get a broader pool when you eliminate the biggest ethnic group of applicants. The whole application process is rigged to get the people they have been told to recruit and not the best people for the job at all.	Iantech (16386)
1325927	2013-01-31 07:08:00	What I am saying is take the best like an RNZAF pilot selection course. You want 12 on a wings course take the best 150 the country can offer and put them through a selection course then take best 12, regardless of race. And its pass fail even if the whole course fails which has happened. They dont go change the course difficulty to let impaired people fly. Why should polezei selection be any different? +1 I certainly don't feel they are taking the best from what I have seen on various occasions. I have seen it where they have been the ones causing the trouble. In my local the local plod may come in and they will talk to people in a perfectly natural way causing no annimosity but when the flying squad comes in it is a them and us attitude. They don't talk to people and have been known to arrest people for doing absolutely no wrong. I have no respect for the flying squad and their attitude. If they want to be respected they have to show people respect.	mikebartnz (21)
1325928	2013-01-31 07:13:00	Tell that to Garys Son who was turned away because they were only taking in recruits from "other" ethnic backgrounds. Pretty easy to get a broader pool when you eliminate the biggest ethnic group of applicants. The whole application process is rigged to get the people they have been told to recruit and not the best people for the job at all. Previous neighbours son the same, he got told he smoked all the entry tests and to wait for an intake. Two and half years later he was finally called up and he topped his course. He is now serving in South Auckland where he actually volunteered to go. He was told categorically they were recruiting non Whites to make a quota. There was a surplus of White males and they wanted ethnics. The surprising thing is the police are quite up front about it. I just call it racism.	prefect (6291)
1325929	2013-01-31 07:40:00	A work colleague applied to the Police force and after the entry test got told to wait for an intake. That call didn't come in any sort of reasonable time frame so they put that career option on hold. This person is an intelligent, well respected, fit, active (kick boxer/rugby player), Samoan female. If your theory applies prefect, then she should have been taken in the first intake...	Jen (38)
1325930	2013-01-31 09:30:00	A work colleague applied to the Police force and after the entry test got told to wait for an intake. That call didn't come in any sort of reasonable time frame so they put that career option on hold. This person is an intelligent, well respected, fit, active (kick boxer/rugby player), Samoan female. If your theory applies prefect, then she should have been taken in the first intake... I dont know how well she did on her tests and follow up stuff pre entry. I dont know how well she fared against other pacific islanders in the tests either so my theory does not apply to your case.	prefect (6291)
1325931	2013-01-31 10:26:00	A work colleague applied to the Police force and after the entry test got told to wait for an intake. That call didn't come in any sort of reasonable time frame so they put that career option on hold. This person is an intelligent, well respected, fit, active (kick boxer/rugby player), Samoan female. If your theory applies prefect, then she should have been taken in the first intake...Sounds like they had already filled their quota of Samoans. It is a shame as she would probably be better than 50% of the other intakes of Indians, Asians, Europeans etc. The sooner NZ gets away from this race thing and starts treating everyone equal regardless of race the better. The Police are the Police and should be respected the same regardless of race. When you have to send European Police in to break up a skinhead party or Maori Police in to sort out a Maori Domestic incident or whatever, its getting pretty stupid in my opinion.	Iantech (16386)
1325932	2013-01-31 11:05:00	This remove barriers thing the feld polezei are doing reminds me of my Gas Turbine engine course. We had a weeks subject on aerodynamics including supersonic air speeds and flight. Athough supersonic air speed can not pass through a GT engine we needed to know about the engine inlets of mach 1 plus planes. How ever I digress. I knew after the first day I was in trouble looking ahead at the text book they gave us. Too much complicated stuff in a short time. I would definitely fail and I had failed no part of the course up to that time. What I did was study ahead of the course day by day trying to get a grasp of it. All my course mates didnt give a stuff and just went on the piss as they always did and did some last minute swot the night before the test. I was the only one who passed pass mark was 70% and I scraped in. What happened next disgusted me then and still does now almost 40 years ago they scaled up the marks and only about 4 people out of 12 or so failed. This is what the feld polezei are doing and it disgusts me.	prefect (6291)
1325933	2013-01-31 17:31:00	Previous neighbours son the same, he got told he smoked all the entry tests and to wait for an intake. Two and half years later he was finally called up and he topped his course. He is now serving in South Auckland where he actually volunteered to go. He was told categorically they were recruiting non Whites to make a quota. There was a surplus of White males and they wanted ethnics. The surprising thing is the police are quite up front about it. I just call it racism. So you're saying that someone in the Police Force toldd your friend that they were applying illegal hiring practices? Really? Because here's the thing: the Police Force has _explicitly rejected quotas_ as useful in improving diversity, after examining how it has failed to work elsewhere. What they do instead, is see how to appeal to other communities better,to ensure they get applicants - do you know what that means? It means meeting and engaging with those communities, and it means ensuring that their recruitment is designed to appeal to a broad section of the NZ community. I'm astonished that the same folks who were decrying me for "slanging off a business" are perfectly willing to accuse the entire Nz police force of illegal hiring practices - a very serious allegation - without facts, and with plenty of counter-evidence shown. And then you have the gall to say " The surprising thing is the police are quite up front about it. I just call it racism. " So where's the _up front_ evidence? " He was told categorically they were recruiting non Whites to make a quota. " That would be difficult, because the Police don't have a quota. And hiring by race would be illegal and against their stated hiring policies. Told categorically by who? I call bullshit. The exact same situation happened to Jen's friend. Did you know that that's one of the reasons the Police Force rejected quotas as a possibility? Because people like your neighbours son think that's why they didn't get in? Too funny. Even without a quota it still happens. Poor Police Force. I'm done here. You have repeatedly shown that you are resistant to facts. You'd rather have your -apparently racist- beliefs.	Zara Baxter (16260)
1325934	2013-01-31 18:56:00	intelligence testing I'm fairly certain this part of it consists solely of "Do you usually remember to breathe on your own?" ;) These claims of race-related quotas and such though.. rubbish.	inphinity (7274)
1325935	2013-01-31 19:05:00	The point here is the Police are reflecting the Governments Separatist policies . The police should be selected on merit not Race . Next thing they’ll be required to select on religious beliefs . So many Catholics, so many Protestants, so many Muslims, so many…… . . Actually, there was a time in NZ when most of the Police Force were Catholics and most of the Judges Masons . There is little point in racially selecting law enforcement staff unless you are going to have a different law for different cultures, something some Maoris have wanted for years . All in all I guess it’s just more PC bollocks .	B.M. (505)
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