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Thread ID: 129008	2013-01-28 23:00:00	Reverse Racism	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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1325442	2013-01-29 00:55:00	Depending on the situation, obtaining help to arrest a local could have been the only option. If a cop tries to arrest someone who has no respect for authority & has friends who have no respect for authority, it could easily turn nasty no matter what the cop is armed with. Even people who would have no qualms about pummelling a police officer into a fine paste seem to have at least a little respect for fire fighters, and they are also less likely to fight their way out of the situation if the odds are not stacked in their favour. In my books its showing weakness which will bite you in the butt later on. One on one arrest with the polezei carrying a gun, tazer and pepper spray shouldnt be a problem. The firemen will now be at risk.	prefect (6291)
1325443	2013-01-29 01:17:00	I thought that strip was public also, even has a picnic table on it further down doesn't it? in any case I've never heard of a residential property owning rights to the opposite side of the road. As I said though much of Kawhia is leasehold and it is possible it's Maori land so it might not be so simple. I wasn't sure about any mandate Maori Wardens possess or do not possess as the case may be. In a nutshell: Who are the Maori Wardens? Unpaid volunteers. Prominent at large hui or annual gatherings. They also do youth work and work closely with police. An older membership. When were they set up? In 1962, by the Maori Community Development Act. The act has been called "archaic" by wardens. For example, it gives them the power - which they don't use - to order Maori to leave a hotel if any Maori appears intoxicated. A Maori Affairs select committee report in 2010 said there were concerns over a lack of support from the Maori Council to wardens. It also recommended a new independent body be established to govern the wardens and a re-evaluation of the council's role. and Maori Wardens are intended for the benefit of the entire Maori community. Their objective is Maori self-determination—a point highlighted in the constitution of the original Maori Wardens Association (1968): To assist and help the Maori people to promote their social and economic welfare by and through self-determination and self-government as practised by Maori Associations. I don't think the Maori Wardens would have any jurisdiction in this case. Although the involvement by the warden may have been overzealous or the result of a mistaken interpretation of their authority, in a community still coming to terms with its recent violence, the result may have been the best in the circumstances. As an agent of social control, in this scenario they were of some use. :2cents:	WalOne (4202)
1325444	2013-01-29 01:28:00	Pity they dont enforce their own guidelines given to them by statute [Z: it's not clear what you're talking about - and this is getting further away from topic.]	prefect (6291)
1325445	2013-01-29 01:45:00	Pity they dont enforce their own guidelines given to them by statute [Z: it's not clear what you're talking about - and this is getting further away from topic.] I will bail from this thread before I get edited or worse.	prefect (6291)
1325446	2013-01-29 01:51:00	Nah. I'm just trying to gently point you in the right direction. If your comment was about Maori wardens, being more specific would help - but I realised that if I asked you to clarify on all the ambiguities in your comment, we'd be wandering far away from the topic.	Zara Baxter (16260)
1325447	2013-01-29 02:22:00	Easy to clear up,ring the Council who control's this area There may be genuine answer for this or it may establish you were had,get some paperwork from the council if this is the case and return and park up,get your barbie out and wait	Lawrence (2987)
1325448	2013-01-29 02:35:00	Recently when headed into that general area for a weekend look-around, I was advised by a friend not to bother with Kawhia. He had experienced a similar "run-in" to Roscoe, although somewhat more heated and unpleasant. His enquiries indicated that this is a comment event and a most unpleasant community - this prior to the recent dust-up with the local copper.	bazmeister (3216)
1325449	2013-01-29 02:36:00	Easy to clear up,ring the Council who control's this area There may be genuine answer for this or it may establish you were had,get some paperwork from the council if this is the case and return and park up,get your barbie out and wait I have rung the district council who, in his own words, agreed that I was told, "nicely and politely, to piss off." That was very much the case. I was advised that he would look into it and call me back. Watch this space.	Roscoe (6288)
1325450	2013-01-29 04:36:00	All Maori Wardens I have ever seen have been in full uniform, not just wearing a Warden's cap or hat, so I do wonder if it was being used for effect but without the authority to wear it or speak as a Warden. On the other hand, if her approach was pleasant and polite, that would be in keeping with any Maori Warden behaviour I have observed on the ground or in the Media. An interesting experience......... Cheers Billy 8-{)	Billy T (70)
1325451	2013-01-29 04:41:00	Back to more traditional methods of settlement perhaps. Fit a nice long oven in your motorhome and next time some body tries this stunt, invite 'em in for dinner.	R2x1 (4628)
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