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Thread ID: 39233	2003-10-31 01:16:00	IE 'open in new window' freeze - kazaa mp3s munted	javoyle (2120)	Press F1

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188028	2003-10-31 20:54:00	> > Secondly, no matter what way you look at it, > > downloading music that you don't have a licence > for > > is illegal, it rips off artists, and it is > unethical. > > As long as they are being ripped off. However there > are many mp3's on P2P networks that are free to share > because the artist has put them there and is quite > happy to do that. > > Don't call someone a rip off artist until you > actually know they are doing it. In the USA you could > get sued for that sort of thing without proof to back > it up. Technically, Agent never called him a 'rip off artist' ... But I have to agree that it seems pretty unlikely he's downloading 'free' mp3s. Come on, let's all call a spade a spade. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
188029	2003-10-31 21:02:00	> OK Firstly Mr policeman (or, "agent"(?) as the > nickname suggests): if kazaa lite is not legal (BTW i > do know its illegal but thats my problem not yours) > then why did PCWorld sell its December 2002/January > 2003 issue with kazaa lite on the CD? Ironic huh... > Thirdly these were files which came out perfectly on > a friend's PC... the same file; its not exactly > missable... it was a very popular file with over 700 > available users to download from - not likely a fake > song > I really would like to hear what youse have to say > about kazaa LITE on Dec2002/Jan2003 PCW CD... > Jared Hey Jared... I don't know if you've picked up on the tone around here, but discussions such as these invariably draw a lot of controversy. My suggestion is that PressF1 does not condone the use of P2P for illegal activities. That makes it our problem too, not just your's. Your point about Kazaa Lite being on PCWorld is interesting... I would suggest contacting PC World to find out why they included it on their distribution CD, as anything we say would only be a guess in the dark. I am sure other people have had the problem you describe, so maybe a quick search on Google might help. Can't fix your prob for you, but perhaps using another P2P app might help? Lo.	Lohsing (219)
188030	2003-11-01 01:00:00	> In the USA you could get sued for that sort of thing without proof to back it up Maybe in the USA, but libel cases based on actions or words said over the internet are hardly worth the effort. Yes, there might be logs, but you cannot tell the manner in which a person said something, or if they really meant it, let alone many other complicated factors.	agent (30)
188031	2003-11-01 01:11:00	Defamation is based on whether the thing was said. The "manner in which ... it was said" or "whether they really meant it" don't come into it. If the statement can not be proved to be true, and "tends to bring into contempt or disrepute", it is defamation. That can be expensive. The major objection to bringing a defamation case is that the only gainers are lawyers. :_| From time to time people in this forum definitely gone past any "fair comment" excuse. There is no such thing as a "free speech right" on the Internet --- if you say something you are responsible for it.	Graham L (2)
188032	2003-11-01 01:31:00	> Defamation is based on whether the thing was > said. The "manner in which ... it was said" or > "whether they really meant it" don't come into it. > If the statement can not be proved to be > true, and "tends to bring into contempt or > disrepute", it is defamation. That can be > expensive. The major objection to bringing a > defamation case is that the only gainers are > lawyers. :_| While that is fine, Agent only ever stated that downloading music which is copyright, rips off the artist. That to me is more of a statement of fact rather than one which defames anyone...? Lo. > From time to time people in this forum definitely > gone past any "fair comment" excuse. There is no > such thing as a "free speech right" on the Internet > --- if you say something you are responsible for it.	Lohsing (219)
188033	2003-11-01 01:45:00	So? I was responding to what agent said in the posting of 2.00 p.m. I was careful to make a general remark about defamation, since the subject was raised, not about any particular statements in this thread.	Graham L (2)
188034	2003-11-01 01:48:00	> So? I was responding to what agent said in the > posting of 2 . 00 p . m . I was careful to make a general > remark about defamation, since the subject was > raised, not about any particular statements in > this thread . Fair enough, I agree with what you are saying, but I think a lot of people would benefit from re-reading what has actually been said by Agent before giving him a hard time . Lo .	Lohsing (219)
188035	2003-11-01 02:14:00	>>The static mp3s are all the tossers out there sharing fake files. Not nessicarily... as i said over 700 users had this same file, which undoubtedly would have been deleted from their PC upon realising it is a fake file, especially kazaa lite and kazaa accellerator users as they do not need other users to download files from them to get their participation up any higher, also the file had around 200 "excellent" file integrity rating tags... not a single user had a bad file tag. As for napster 2, i dont have a credit card which, by my guessing, is the way to pay for it, i shall have a look at the site anyway. >>However, it is my opinion that they simply did not read the Licence >>Agreement you can read upon installation - after all, why would >>employees of a corporation involved in producing computing >>magazines want to be able to download illegitimate files at their place >>of work? I know PCWorld are more rersposible than not to read the licence agreement... but this isnt about PCW not having kazaa lite's creator's permission to use the file and publish it, this is about PCW publishing an already illegal file on their CD, you said it yourself - "Kazaa Lite K++ is illegal to use in itself because it has effectively been reverse engineered from Sharman Networks' Kazaa Media Desktop software." And, i actually know a couple of (pretty stupid, actually) guys who download mp3s off kazaa lite (which they also downloaded at work) all the time because they have ihug ultra, and, if i recall correctly, PCW have a (500kbps?) leased line connection, how could any normal person help themselfes? :D And, as you also said: "Yes, but alas, the nature of humans demands that some things be shared. For no cost." HUMAN NATURE aye? And to lohsing: i have tried other p2p application but unfortunatley, none of them work on my comp :( grokster being one of them.	javoyle (2120)
188036	2003-11-01 02:37:00	WinMX doesn't work?? Lo.	Lohsing (219)
188037	2003-11-01 02:39:00	Cant say ive tried that one yet - J	javoyle (2120)
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