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| Thread ID: 129190 | 2013-02-08 19:14:00 | This week theyve become a Nation! | B.M. (505) | PC World Chat |
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| 1327102 | 2013-02-09 00:22:00 | The "white Europeans" should no longer receive any benefits as this National government is doing so well? :p Absolutely, we’re doing so well we’re going to help out our Aussie Bro’s and take 150 Boat People a year off their hands. No doubt that will entitle their extended, extended, families to follow once suitable accommodation has been found. My suggestion on the matter of housing is to kick the Drones out of the Beehive and turn it into a Refugee Centre. :D |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1327103 | 2013-02-09 01:02:00 | Ahhh yes, but conveniently there is no mention of the $billions in hand-outs which of course reduces one economy whilst boosting the other. And if they actually have a separate economy that is doing so well, then they don’t need any more handouts do they? ;) This is the most intelligent comment I have seen in this forum for a LONG time!!! |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 1327104 | 2013-02-09 01:20:00 | Ahhh yes, but conveniently there is no mention of the $billions in hand-outs which of course reduces one economy whilst boosting the other. And if they actually have a separate economy that is doing so well, then they don’t need any more handouts do they? ;) Was the NBR article too difficult to assimilate? "The conversation at Waitangi and around the country has also shifted from being primarily about the past to being about the future. The main reason is treaty settlements, of which there have now been 59, the vast majority happening under the Bolger/Shipley and Key governments. Upon settlement, the focus immediately goes on the future. There is not the slightest hint of wallowing in grievance in the South Island and far less than ever before in the North. In the last year, even Tuhoe, usually seen as perhaps the most angry and radical iwi, has settled with the Crown and begun looking forward. Unsurprisingly, it is the iwi in the far north, including around Waitangi where Harawira-ism remains strong, who appear most unwilling or unable to make progress on their claims. Less than $2 billion has been spent on treaty settlements, and that has been over 20 years. In comparison, the government spends over $20 billion each year on welfare. At less than $100 million a year, treaty settlements represent far greater value than almost any other government spending." I argue the settlements are working for the tribes that do manage their affairs well. Case in point is the prospering seen for Ngai Tahu under Sir Mark Solomon. But most public opinion and balancing of the facts are influenced by the antics of such characters as the pitiful maori "king", advised by Tuku (underpants) Morgan and by the Harawira circus. The "separate economy" was just a way of illustrating ROI, and that of a formal separate measure. :D |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1327105 | 2013-02-09 01:24:00 | Was the NBR article too difficult to assimilate? "The conversation at Waitangi and around the country has also shifted from being primarily about the past to being about the future. The main reason is treaty settlements, of which there have now been 59, the vast majority happening under the Bolger/Shipley and Key governments. Upon settlement, the focus immediately goes on the future. There is not the slightest hint of wallowing in grievance in the South Island and far less than ever before in the North. In the last year, even Tuhoe, usually seen as perhaps the most angry and radical iwi, has settled with the Crown and begun looking forward. Unsurprisingly, it is the iwi in the far north, including around Waitangi where Harawira-ism remains strong, who appear most unwilling or unable to make progress on their claims. Less than $2 billion has been spent on treaty settlements, and that has been over 20 years. In comparison, the government spends over $20 billion each year on welfare. At less than $100 million a year, treaty settlements represent far greater value than almost any other government spending." :D But they are taking most of the welfare money and get treaty settlements. Double dippers |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1327106 | 2013-02-09 01:38:00 | The "separate economy" was just a way of illustrating ROI, and not that of a formal separate measure. Correction :badpc: |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1327107 | 2013-02-09 03:09:00 | Was the NBR article too difficult to assimilate? "The conversation at Waitangi and around the country has also shifted from being primarily about the past to being about the future . The main reason is treaty settlements, of which there have now been 59, the vast majority happening under the Bolger/Shipley and Key governments . Upon settlement, the focus immediately goes on the future . There is not the slightest hint of wallowing in grievance in the South Island and far less than ever before in the North . In the last year, even Tuhoe, usually seen as perhaps the most angry and radical iwi, has settled with the Crown and begun looking forward . Unsurprisingly, it is the iwi in the far north, including around Waitangi where Harawira-ism remains strong, who appear most unwilling or unable to make progress on their claims . Less than $2 billion has been spent on treaty settlements, and that has been over 20 years . In comparison, the government spends over $20 billion each year on welfare . At less than $100 million a year, treaty settlements represent far greater value than almost any other government spending . " I argue the settlements are working for the tribes that do manage their affairs well . Case in point is the prospering seen for Ngai Tahu under Sir Mark Solomon . But most public opinion and balancing of the facts are influenced by the antics of such characters as the pitiful maori "king", advised by Tuku (underpants) Morgan and by the Harawira circus . The "separate economy" was just a way of illustrating ROI, and that of a formal separate measure . :D Was the NBR article too difficult to assimilate? I treat anything the NBR quote with the same caution as other Newspapers especially given their known allegiance to the National Party . Less than $2 billion has been spent on treaty settlements, and that has been over 20 years . Well, I have figures, complete with breakdown, which has the Settlements as at the end of 2011 at $2,445,000,000 and provision to reach $3,479,000,000 in the 2015 financial year . So to start with we have a lazy $500,000,000 discrepancy at least . Oh well, not entirely unexpected . At less than $100 million a year, treaty settlements represent far greater value than almost any other government spending . No kidding Mr Hooton, tell me more and bring me some of what ever you’re smoking so I can keep up . :lol: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1327108 | 2013-02-09 03:46:00 | Oh goodie another public holiday to celebrate a vegetable. We could celebrate the coming of teh pumpkins too.. |
ChazTheGeek (16619) | ||
| 1327109 | 2013-02-09 03:52:00 | Well, I have figures, complete with breakdown, which has the Settlements as at the end of 2011 at $2,445,000,000 and provision to reach $3,479,000,000 in the 2015 financial year. Would you tell me the reference this claim is based upon? Maybe Hooton is saying the end of 2012? He also says that figure was reached over a 20 year span, and asserts it is negligible compared to the $20 Billion p.a. spent on welfare. Whether or not as Prefect suggests that is double dipping, is debatable and another issue, but I'm interested in where exactly the $20 Billion goes. Do you know? Thanks. :) |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1327110 | 2013-02-09 04:02:00 | Would you tell me the reference this claim is based upon? Thanks. :) I will try and find it on line and give you (and everyone else) the link, otherwise I can E-Mail it to you. It's in PDF format so a bit hard to copy & paste. Cheers :) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1327111 | 2013-02-09 04:39:00 | Thanks :thumbs: |
WalOne (4202) | ||
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