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| Thread ID: 129169 | 2013-02-07 08:34:00 | Does anybody have any serious input about Richard III? | WalOne (4202) | PC World Chat |
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| 1326969 | 2013-02-07 08:34:00 | I'm fascinated by the unfolding saga of the demise of Richard the last of the Plantagenet dynasty, and his ignominious end in a Leicester Council parking lot. The negatives against him seem to be brought about by political opinion generated by Shakespeare and the Tudors. I'm of the opinion Richard brought about some far seeing changes to law and social changes that proved a foundation for other changes in the centuries ahead, that could only have been for the good. Anybody? |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1326970 | 2013-02-07 08:44:00 | I'm no well informed expert but I do believe he was one of the better Kings of England. Various little snippets here and there about how he generally made life a little easier in his own way. All overshadowed of course by Shakespeare's plays, unsurprising though. Especially as he was deformed, not such a hot thing to be in those times (even now actually) and because he was Killed and had his crown taken. It's lucky he was remembered by Shakespeare's writings otherwise I believe he would have been forgotten entirely. | The Error Guy (14052) | ||
| 1326971 | 2013-02-07 09:14:00 | I'm of the opinion Richard brought about some far seeing changes to law and social changes that proved a foundation for other changes in the centuries ahead, that could only have been for the good.Like the car park foundations? Sorry, I couldn't help myself. :p Back to serious. |
Jen (38) | ||
| 1326972 | 2013-02-07 10:51:00 | Well, it's a very long time since he made an error. Seriously, he's been a bit crook, but he's up now. | R2x1 (4628) | ||
| 1326973 | 2013-02-07 19:00:00 | According to my history it was Black Adder who cut off King Richards head at Bosworth Field. www.youtube.com www.youtube.com |
Terry Porritt (14) | ||
| 1326974 | 2013-02-07 19:32:00 | I watch the BBC4 program last nite (download) called King int he car park. Very good . Gave a lot of info on him and the process of finding him. | paulw (1826) | ||
| 1326975 | 2013-02-07 20:02:00 | because he was Killed and had his crown taken. I don't know how the royals can't be embarrassed by this history. Various family members killing each other off, not so close family members, marrying each other over power, then more killing each other off. These days people like that are called dictators. |
pctek (84) | ||
| 1326976 | 2013-02-07 20:40:00 | Yes I just read that he bought in bail laws and the rule that the king could not raise any taxes without parliaments permission. He does seem to have been a bit hard done by. Of course this is what happens when you are on the losing side of a war. I have not seen the docu, but there are a few good articles on how they found him etc on the BBC World web site. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1326977 | 2013-02-07 20:45:00 | I've always felt that Richard Plantagenent got a raw deal from those Tudors and consequently Shakespeare. The Tudors claim to the throne was shaky in the extreme and on analysis Henry VII had as much to gain from the "little Princes's in the Tower" demise as perhaps Richard - silence, perhaps, an "inconvenient truth", that could make people speculate, even today. The thing is, it is stated quite categorically, in the area of the Tower where the bodies were found, that their remains will not be available for DNA, ever. Look at a portrait of Edward IV (father of the little Princes) and see the facial similarities with Henry VIII (Edward IV's grandson). The rumour goes that Cecily Neville (wife of Richard Duke of York), had an affair with an English Archer, when her husband was Royal rep, in France towards the end of the "Hundred Years War". Richard, later to become Richard III was the real son of Richard Duke of York (grandson of the great Edward III and nephew of the implacable "Black Prince"), whereas, rumour has it and I stress rumour, as I wouldn't want to upset the Royal Succession (gosh, I just love this stuff), that Edward IV was the son of that English Archer. Consequently, because of Henry Tudor's marriage, to unite the houses of York and Lancaster, carrying on to Henry VIII etc. we have this speculation. Mind you this probably all nonsense. Where we're staying at the moment for the next 3 months, St. Albans, is where all the bloody side of the "Wars of the Roses", started. The main street, St. Peters Street, is where the first battle was fought, and on a wall on a bank, site of an old, now vanished Inn, there is a plaque which states, that it's the spot where Edmund Beaufort, Duke of Somerset, was slain. He was the hated rival and enemy of Richard, Duke of York. In the Cathedral, only about 100 yards from here, is the tomb of Humphrey, Duke of Gloucester (youngest brother of Henry V), also an enemy of the dreaded Beauforts. We go north next week, on the way I think we should stop by Leicester and have a look at the "Richard" stuff, also from there we go to Yorkshire, where Richard, to this day is a popular figure. Great stuff! |
jcr1 (893) | ||
| 1326978 | 2013-02-07 21:23:00 | Like the car park foundations? :p |
WalOne (4202) | ||
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