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193923 2003-11-24 05:28:00 LETS PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARTTYYY MrBeef (342)
193924 2003-11-24 05:33:00 lol.
just tlaking to a guy who finished exams last thursday - said he's already bored...

2 months.....

I should get a job
fergie (424)
193925 2003-11-24 05:35:00 yeh me to. You got msn? add me mrbeefatorconnetnz MrBeef (342)
193926 2003-11-25 02:44:00 omg omg omg omg ITS SUMMER,
I had economics level 2 yesterday, damn it was hard... and economics is one of my best subjects... :S oh well, thats NCEA for you. I saw the old 6th form cert exams, and they were 100% easier...

but now its summer, i've been going to bed at 3am (YAH for coding, been missing that for a while), spending the day running, programming, and making mp3 boxes ;)

oh life is good now, nothing to do and all day to do it in

- David
p.s. for everyone who know's that ncea is a stupid waste of time, theres a picture going around with the NCEA logo and the NCEA letters replaced with NCEgAy ;)
DangerousDave (697)
193927 2003-11-25 05:54:00 Can you young holligans (despite the fact I'm young too) not hold your tongue on a public forum? First a blatant swear word, then the use of a term in a derogatory fashion?

In any case, despite all my efforts to wipe the wide smile off my face as I left school after my last exam, I couldn't damn well stop smiling... evil smiles, aren't they. ;)

And now I'm hoping, and waiting, that my job application is successful.
agent (30)
193928 2003-11-25 19:43:00 Don't complain about the NCEA system. From what I've heard (a friend of mine is a maths teacher), the standards have actually dropped since NCEA was introduced, for example trigonometry in non-right angled triangles formely in SchoolCert have now been moved to NCEA Level 2.

It also allows students to achieve things during the year, so their entire year's achievement doesn't depend on one exam at the end of the year. In my opinion the system is better, but it is also lowering the standard to make the govt look better as they can brag that "more people pass NCEA than SchoolC" isn't going to be good in the long term for New Zealand scholars.
somebody (208)
193929 2003-11-25 19:56:00 For some obscure reason, most of my maths class prefers getting a percentage to a wide bracket range of Achieved, Achieved with Merit, or Achieved with Excellence (which isn't all that wide a range as the other two). Personally, I couldn't give a damn.

Now yes, NCEA was made so that more people pass - I've heard teachers talking about that too. What I see as better in NCEA is that half of the people do not automatically fail (which was pretty much the system in School C).

I can't really comment on whether the standard has dropped, but I can say that I know people who said the hardest question in the Level 1 maths exam was one of the Excellence questions (duh) in the algebra section... hardly what I would call hard, but hey, I did Level 1 maths in fourth form...
agent (30)
193930 2003-11-25 20:23:00 You mentioned the word "fail". I think this is the root of the whole problem, i.e. whether one passes or fails. From a personal point of view I am torn between the two states of got a piece of paper (pass) and not (fail). For instance, I had to sit the old UK 'O' and 'A' levels to get to University. No exams no entry. A reasonable request. My University was a bit of a forward thinking institution (at least in my subject), it didn't want exams !! It wanted to monitor performance closly over the course and then decide on whther you were fit to receive the degree or not. This situation would have suited all of us in the year, believe you me, if you think this NCEA stuff is hard, wait till you get to University !! However, the governent said you can't do that. So, we had a token jester type exam to keep them happy, but lots of little ones during the five years. In the end, that was probably the best compromise, made you work steadily and didn't place reliance on last minute swat.
Personally, I don't believe that much in exams. They are a snap shot, but there has to be something other than a teacher rating. That is open to abuse. The other thing is the government should keep it's nose out of the whole affair and allow an academic institution sort it out. And as if I haven't said enough already. Stop fiddling with the pass mark, moving the goal posts to make sure sufficient numbers pass. And finally to get back to the beginning, we need to get rid of the shame attached to not getting a pass. To avoid this perhaps the "3 R's" should simply be taught. You or parents choose other subjects that are going to useful - how about carpentry or plumbing or whatever ?
Sorry about the rant.

Crunn
Crunn (1068)
193931 2003-11-25 20:58:00 You're right in that exams are a snapshot of your work. Teachers will be able to tell you how much you know and how good you are just from your attitude and knowing you all year, unlike an external exam sat at the end of the year.

Education has, really, turned into a rat-race. Examinations do nothing but add to that. If you think about it, all the pride and glory is placed on the top achievers - who also strive to try and get just that little bit higher (believe me, there's a really pedantic student in my class who complains to the teachers over all the marks he gets back, weaseling for extra marks, and he admits to that too) over everyone else to make themselves look better.

On top of that, if you get average marks, you aren't overly encouraged - for some people, they just can't do better, but are forced to face self-shame when teachers rant on about the students who didn't perform too well (admittedly some of them don't actually care that they got low marks).

Education is becoming a farce. No longer do we value what we are taught, we want more and more, because we think it'll get us ahead.
agent (30)
193932 2003-11-25 21:42:00 did some one say it was summer?
if this is summer bring back winter. ?:|
the weather is lousy in ak :-(
carpark is flooded, the rain is moving sideways.
I got introduced to the sun about two days ago since then i think it has gone into hiding.
Wayne H (1736)
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