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Thread ID: 129318	2013-02-17 21:14:00	The King James version of the New Testament	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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1328572	2013-02-22 04:43:00	Try Richard Dawkins "The God Delusion". You tend to forget that this a reason free area Richard.	Cicero (40)
1328573	2013-02-22 04:45:00	All of the people I know who are religious are weak clingy and pathetic. Not picking on any particular religion they are all as bad as one another. Although any religion that does not do alcohol is especially repulsive to me. I dont how a human being could live without it. I guess they just exist waiting to do die after a boring life.	prefect (6291)
1328574	2013-02-22 05:09:00	The object of grog is to remove us from reality, the more we drink the further from reality we get, thank god we have folks that have minds, that give us music literature etc.	Cicero (40)
1328575	2013-02-22 05:14:00	The object of grog is to remove us from reality, the more we drink the further from reality we get, thank god we have folks that have minds, that give us music literature etc. Music!, not sure about that a lot of musicos fancy a pint and music still good. Dont really care about literature I am a truck mechanic.	prefect (6291)
1328576	2013-02-22 05:45:00	I was trying to describe someone who can cope with the present. As a pisshead, you don't fall into that category.	Cicero (40)
1328577	2013-02-23 07:28:00	That's the scary part in my opinion, the absolute certainty that what you believe is truth Yes. This is particularly applicable to belief in an independent reality. Scientists are increasingly sceptical that an independent reality does in fact exist. The doubts started with The Anthropic Cosmological Principle, by Barrow and Tipler in1986(?). The Principle says that certain characteristics of the past are logically required to be the way they are otherwise we wouldn't exist to ask why they are like that. In the 30-odd years since that book, some say that the principle doesn't apply to just the Big Bang, but to all of the past, even 1 picosecond ago. The whole of the logical past has to be the way it is otherwise we would not exist as who we are now. In particular we would not have the beliefs we now have about the past. In other words, we unwittingly create the past to be consistent with who we are. It means we create reality. We do it by believing it to exist. This line of thinking answers many scientific puzzles, including an explanation of free will. The explanation of free will goes like this. Reality doesn't really exist, but each of us believes it does. Further, each of us believes that we are accurate in our beliefs. Obviously, we cannot all be accurate when we each believe different things concerning something which we have defined to be independent of us. This inconsistency surfaces as Free Will. It goes like this. Person A sees Person B behaving in a different way from themselves. Person A unwittingly says to himself "What's wrong with that person? Why is he behaving like that? Can't he see the reality around him? Why is he inconsistent with it? He must possess a mystical sort of 'force' that allows him to defy reality. I will call it Free Will." In other words, Free Will is a force we invent to preserve the notion that there exists an independent reality when there isn't. Interestingly, the Bible supports this view in two ways: 1. It says that God made the world before the Fall and man made the world after 2. It says the nature of the Fall was a preference for knowledge over belief. After creation, man made the logical error of believing that his beliefs were unreliable. He decided that having an independent reality to ground his beliefs - a reality that he could have knowledge of instead of justy-washy beliefs about - would be preferrable. So he declared that such a reality shall exist. Science is the implementation of that decision. I am reminded of the following saying: "Reality is so important to us that if it didn't exist we would invent it. And we have."	BBCmicro (15761)
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