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Thread ID: 129318	2013-02-17 21:14:00	The King James version of the New Testament	Roscoe (6288)	PC World Chat

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1328552	2013-02-20 08:33:00	I presume you missed the part where I described how stories were passed on in the early first and second centuries? Sure it may not be 100% accurate, but I'm not sure that's *entirely* relevant to the requirement of a "faith" system. That is, after all, what faith is, right? Can't argue about that.	mikebartnz (21)
1328553	2013-02-20 09:39:00	It's even more complex than that Roscoe. The books of the New Testament were originally written in Greek. The books of the Old Testament were in Hebrew and Aramaic. These books also form the Torah. The Bible as we know it came into being from Emperor Constantine at the Council of Nicaea in 331 AD. Constantine however wasn't a theologist, he simply wanted a standard bible and and church for his people. The new Bible was translated into Latin which became the lingua franca of the Christian church for about 1000 years - scholars still read it in Greek or ancient French. King James was a deeply religious Scot who wasn't entirely comfortable with Henry VIIIs abandonment of the Roman Catholic church. He devised the project for a new bible in English and took an active part in deliberating over the translations. It is very much King James bible, not just something which happened at that time. The Roman Catholic church to this day has a slightly different bible so the KJB is a protestant version. Theologists today study the Greek and Aramaic/Hebrew texts, the Dead Sea scrolls, the non-canonical books (those omitted by Constantine), and anything else they can find from the period. They have intense debates over the meaning of words and errors in translation. Its quite fascinating.	Winston001 (3612)
1328554	2013-02-20 09:48:00	So yes, ideas and details must inevitably have been lost in the myriad translations over 2000+ years. Mostly it doesn't matter. The Bible is a history book and a book of rules for moral guidance. Love your neighbour. Do not kill. Do not steal. Don't tell lies. Etc. Pretty hard to argue with. And yes, you don't need a religion to learn these values but they do seem to be absent in many people these days.	Winston001 (3612)
1328555	2013-02-20 18:38:00	Just a few divine contradictions......... 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28	Cicero (40)
1328556	2013-02-21 01:27:00	I presume you missed the part where I described how stories were passed on in the early first and second centuries? Sure it may not be 100% accurate, but I'm not sure that's *entirely* relevant to the requirement of a "faith" system. That is, after all, what faith is, right? So which of the 3876 different deities do you think is real? No wait. I don't care. But aren't you a bit old to still have an imaginary friend????	Disco_Dan (16576)
1328557	2013-02-21 01:34:00	Winston: Thanks so much for that. I found it most interesting, most elucidating. That is the type of comment I was looking for. Great stuff!	Roscoe (6288)
1328558	2013-02-21 01:37:00	Just a few divine contradictions......... 1. God is satisfied with his works Gen 1:31 God is dissatisfied with his works. Gen 6:6 2. God dwells in chosen temples 2 Chron 7:12,16 God dwells not in temples Acts 7:48 3. God dwells in light Tim 6:16 God dwells in darkness 1 Kings 8:12/ Ps 18:11/ Ps 97:2 4. God is seen and heard Ex 33:23/ Ex 33:11/ Gen 3:9,10/ Gen 32:30/ Is 6:1/ Ex 24:9-11 God is invisible and cannot be heard John 1:18/ John 5:37/ Ex 33:20/ 1 Tim 6:16 5. God is tired and rests Ex 31:17 God is never tired and never rests Is 40:28 so that proves it............... god is a woman	Gobe1 (6290)
1328559	2013-02-21 03:09:00	Nope. Maybe God WAS a woman.	Richard (739)
1328560	2013-02-21 03:20:00	Penn and Teller did a great episode on religion on their "bullshit" show, pointing out a lot of contradictions and inconsistencies. An interesting point to me was the Idea that the bible had been edited from a larger collection of works and someone decided what to include and what not to. I'd suggest if it was ever "the word of god" it is no longer any more than a poorly heard echo. Those with faith don't care about such arguments though, they know they are right. That's the scary part in my opinion, the absolute certainty that what you believe is truth. That sort of thing leads to fanaticism and war.	dugimodo (138)
1328561	2013-02-21 03:30:00	True, but there are contradictions and inconsistencies in pretty much everything in life, not just Christianity, but all religion as well as evolutionists, athiesm, the works... At least Christians for the better part are aware that they're engaging in "faith", others not so much. Yeah some people get caught up with hellfire and brimstone, others not so much though. End of the day the 'specifics' that may have been lost in translation really don't matter enough for most Christians to see it as an issue, it's the underlying message that counts.	Chilling_Silence (9)
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