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Thread ID: 40129	2003-11-28 22:00:00	PC System (no flame please)	~~~~~ s y ~~~~~ (2054)	Press F1

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195576	2003-11-30 07:52:00	Hey, bmason, same spec's apart from 80Gig HDD. Mainly because I have 2 sons with their own PC's and networked. They utilise my hard drive for storage because, me being the only earner, can afford it :D I have had this setup for about 6 months with no problems at all. Why is so many people set on overclocking? It was valid in the early days as the gain was significant, but now?? Loose the warranty and shorten the life, easier to get another CPU. Personally don't see the point. Also brings to mind, that CPU on it's own fromAMD has 12 months warranty, but a CPU/fan combination put out by them, has warranty of 3 years. Maybe keep in mind, that there is a noticable speed difference between 5400rpm and 7200rpm Hard drives. The larger drives are all 7200rpm now, but it pays to ask if they don't state.	Pheonix (280)
195577	2003-11-30 08:05:00	Thanks for that, Do you know how long it takes to start up and shut down your computer? Also, I have decided that it may be better for somebody to install the parts, etc. instead of me playing around with it to get it going. So, I'd be choosing the components, and obviously, neogoiating the price using PriceSpy' data. However, one thing: if I use parts that are like lifetime guaranteed ram, 3 year monitor warranty, 3 year CPU warranty, etc. But the company building it gives say, 1 year for both parts and labour. Am I still entitled to take it back for repair after one year, should they get broken? Because the manufacturers' warranty still cover it, despite everything...? Many thanks, :D	~~~~~ s y ~~~~~ (2054)
195578	2003-11-30 08:13:00	>good Intel cpu boards tend to be more expensive than good AMD ones other way around . generally speaking as it changes faster than the wind, intel mobo's are generally cheaper but the cpu's are dearer . the duron is certailly a good choice for a budget pc . just don't skimp on the mobo . a slow pc is bearable but a crash happy one is a nightmare!	tweak'e (174)
195579	2003-11-30 08:56:00	damm there is so much *%# flowing around this forum, how can people who dont know what there talking about reconmend products? The current Athlons avaliable dont run any hotter than the P4's, you will find that the p4 3 . 2ghz actually runs hotter than the athlon 3200+ . Second of all whoever reconmend the Thunderbird, where have you been living for the last year? The Athlon 2600+ was never release with the Barton core, only the 2500+, 2800+, 3200+ (the 3000+ might recently have been changed over but dont quote me) . When it comes down to justifing why the Athlon is better than a Celeron, ITS FASTER! you could buy a celeron but why when a Athlon for the same price will be FASTER! . The celeron is no more stable or better at multitasking than a athlon . Using the onboard video on the nForce2 will mean you have less system ram . (e . g 32mb for vid means 32mb less of system ram) If using the onboard video it is reconmended that you use 2 sticks of ram to enable dual channel operation . Dont get 256mb of ram get atleast 512mb, 1024mb is quickly becoming the norm .	Pete O'Neil (250)
195580	2003-11-30 09:20:00	Never timed it, but just for you....45 seconds to load, 55 seconds till all hard drive activity finished. It really is up to you what you do or want. A personal thing. I have been on both sides of the fence when it comes to being a consumer and a retailer. You are protected by the consumer acts, but your tech is not and is reliant on the good will of his supplier if there is a failure outside the usual 12 month warranty period. It is not nice having to pay for a replacement part under the consumers act and your supplier saying "it's out of the 12 month warranty...sorry". Hence, evrything is reduced to it's lowest common denomonator...12 month warranties. So you actually purchasing the items, would like the maximum coverage without the hastle if a failure should occur, then you go for max warranty. The Tech will only be responsible for his workmanship and any parts he supplies. As far as "lifetime" warranty goes..if it dies over 12 months old, then it's lifetime has ended :) Hope you can gleen some information from my ramblings :D	Pheonix (280)
195581	2003-11-30 09:22:00	I have heard a few comments regarding Nforce2 based motherboards and onboard sound. I think it is important to note a few differences between Nforce2 boards, particularly the southbridge chip that is used. There are two different Nforce2 southbridge chips, the MCP and the MCP-T. Boards which feature the MCP chip have AC'97 compliant codec sound which is very CPU intensive. The MCP-T chip however boasts the Nvidia "soundstorm" apu (audio processing unit) which is a sound system rivalling the likes of Audigy soundcards. So if you are looking for a board that has good onboard sound, shop around and find one that uses the MCP-T chip. When playing games you will notice a huge framerate increase when using the MCP-T over the MCP.	b1naryb0y (3)
195582	2003-11-30 09:27:00	> damm there is so much *%# flowing around this forum, > how can people who dont know what there talking about > reconmend products? >The Athlon 2600+ was > never release with the Barton core,> > Meh,who doesn't know what they are talkin about? You. Look and learn grasshopper www.amdboard.com	metla (154)
195583	2003-11-30 10:19:00	My 2cents worth . . . . My first preference is the p4 canterwoods . . . . . . and that is what I have for my main computer here, however as you have indicated a P4 is not an option --- hence we will cut that out . Here is my experience with the p4 - AMD - celeron debate . . . . . . . . . . . . . It came time to upgrade Mrs Tazzie's PC here at home so I had to make a decision . It's primary usage was some web browsing, word, email and some Harry Potter games . . . . . . . My first choice would have been another P4 system as I swear by them -- Intel Processors running on an intel chipset have always provided me with a stable platform . However it wasn't worth spending that sort of money on a PC that isn't really going to get pushed that hard . 1st Consideration - Motherboard Price: So I stepped back and weighed up the celeron vs AMD scenario, the price difference in the boards for the different paltforms is almost non-existant . You can get cheap or expensive boards for either, and my experience is that if you buy a cheap board for either they will give you grief . So that took that out of the decision . 2nd Consideration - Upgrading: The celeron was favourable for the fact that I could upgrade it to a P4 later if I wanted to, however I realised that this wasn't going to happen . If I wanted a P4 for her computer I would have got one at the outset . So that took that out of the decision . 3rd Consideration - Performance vs Price: The AMD's have the extra 128k L2 cache, and do outperform the celerons . The celerons are a little cheaper but not enough to really make an impact . So in the end she is sitting back with an XP 2400 and it does everything that she needs out of a computer . Saying that a friend came to me a couple of weeks back needing an upgrade, his budget wouldn't stretch to a P4 at the moment but will do in a couple of months time . So we got in a very good Intel 875 based board and plonked a 2 . 4 celeron onto it, he is more than happy with the performance and in a month or so will upgrade to a P4 . The limiting factor in his PC is the Video card but as he doesn't really play games its not an issue . Sit down and have a serious think about what you are really going to be using your PC for, most people seem to overkill on their computers for what they really do with them . It's a whole got to keep up with the joneses(sp) scenario most of the time . I do a lot of multi-tasking here and have found first hand that the P4 is far superior to the AMD in that aspect . That may be something you want to consider?? Also consider that in the big scheme of things the processor actually makes up a small part of the total cost of a PC: eg: celeron 2 . 6 = $159 XP 2600 = $184 P4 2 . 6= $302 so between the top and bottom of the food chain there is just over $140 in it, not a lot really . . . all the other parts far outweigh the processor argument . HTH	TazzieNZ (463)
195584	2003-11-30 10:26:00	> > damm there is so much *%# flowing around this > forum, > > how can people who dont know what there talking > about > > reconmend products? > > The Athlon 2600+ was > > never release with the Barton core, > > > > > Meh,who doesn't know what they are talkin about? > > You . > > Look and learn grasshopper > > . amdboard . com/barton2600 . html" target="_blank">www . amdboard . com > I appreciate all your help but, please do not start a flame thread . Pete > Please don't use language like that, even in coded form . While you may think you know it all, we're all still learning . Just c . . . a . . . l . . . m . . . . down Melta > Try not to be mean to one another . . . . we all make mistakes Cheers, :D	~~~~~ s y ~~~~~ (2054)
195585	2003-11-30 10:29:00	Thanks for your effort in posting such a long post, TazzieNZ. Much appreciated.... If I do find out that P4 is the way to go... I will probably have to save up and wait then.. however, I'm still inclined to go the AMD way.... may have to get more than 256Mb ram though... Many thanks,	~~~~~ s y ~~~~~ (2054)
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