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Thread ID: 129356	2013-02-20 02:34:00	Discuss: The law, moaners, being PC, and where PF1 is headed	Chilling_Silence (9)	PC World Chat

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1329040	2013-02-23 21:42:00	Wow has this thread taken off since last I looked. A few points from my perspective; Freedom of speech =/= the right to say anything about anyone without consequence, if it did there would be no privacy or slander laws and we already have those. Some posts appear to be deliberately worded to offend and stir up responses, you know you're doing it and now you get upset because it might not be allowed. Polictical correctness as a term gets way overused. It is about avoiding controversial subjects so as to avoid making yourself unpopular with groups of people. It's not, in fact, telling people not to make offensive posts. The two things overlap certainly, but are not the same. Political correctness might for example lead to banning any religious discussion and that's not what this is about - instead it's saying express your opinion but there's no need to be deliberately offensive doing it. At least that's how I see it. Mods are human too (shock horror) I'm sure they occasionally get wound up and respond harshly just like any of us would What's the big deal, so the forum might have rules about acceptable behaviour, so what. Would you walk into a mall, get up on a stage, and start addressing the general public about the failings of a particular ethnic or religious group? because that's what you're doing here, just behind the safety of the internet. If you would think twice about walking up to one of the people concerned and saying it to their face why is it ok to do it when they can't see you? I'm against personal attacks (even when I feel like making them myself), I see no need to pick on any group because of the behaviour of some of it's members, and even if I don't share your beliefs I'm unlikely to call them "stupid" while attempting to show you that they are wrong. Several posts around here instead of Just saying "I disagree" or "I think that's wrong" openly mock other peoples viewpoints (and I actually agree with the person doing the mocking usually, just not the way they present their views) To be more specific, the treaty of waitangi and all that surrounds it annoys me greatly and there is much about it I consider wrong. I don't however hold all Maori responsible for it or think they are all like those Idiot protestors that like to spit on people. Even if the majority of a group are bad (which is hard to believe), that's still not all of them and it's not fair to act like it is. finally if my little rant makes you think I'm upset about all this or that I'm trying to support anyone, I'm really not. My life won't be notably affected by whatever happens on this forum and they can have whatever rules they want, I really don't care. I honestly fail to see what people are getting so wound up about. You could remove the chat forum altogether and I'd still be a regular for the help forum which is what brings me here anyway.	dugimodo (138)
1329041	2013-02-23 22:25:00	^ What dugimodo said! :) Ok, I suppose to be fair I should quote Jen as well . Post #44 “I think some people are ignoring the fact there is a law change (see post#1) that puts PC World and its forums into a difficult position” . I say yet again, “There is no Law Change!” There is a “Bill” floating around that is a complete non-event as it hasn’t even entered the house yet . You are correct . There is no law change . Yet . But I still maintain that if a reader has to get to the 44th or 50th post and think at that point that they are being misled, then they haven't read the thread properly . When in doubt, go back to the OP and re-read the first post - picking on individual phrases (even by a mod) well into the thread, without taking on the whole context of the original post is disingenuous, even if it suits your personal viewpoint . As dugimodo points out, even mods are human and are quite capable of making an assumption (subjective, and in error though it may be) that everyone in the discussion is thinking the way they are thinking . Or even in using the present tense in their reply when they (most likely) intended to use the future tense . We all interpret things subjectively, as I pointed out at the beginning of post #14 . We have to make a conscious effort to understand how someone else might be thinking, especially when it is in direct opposition to our own viewpoint .	johcar (6283)
1329042	2013-02-23 22:47:00	According to the title, the thread is about the law..... and moaners and being PC and where PF1 is heading. So really the thread could go anywhere.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1329043	2013-02-23 22:49:00	So really the thread could go anywhere. atm it's going nowhere	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1329044	2013-02-23 23:06:00	atm it's going nowhere LOL 144 posts of going nowhere???? i dont think so...... i think its getting a large thread even if its going nowhere. sometimes people just need to take the blinkers off there eyes and read posts as they are actually written than what they think the other person has written......... maybe even reading a post twice to make sure they arnt assuming anything .:p just my opinion........ :D	beetle (243)
1329045	2013-02-23 23:14:00	atm it's going nowhere Tell me about it... I need to buy larger buckets of popcorn :D	pcuser42 (130)
1329046	2013-02-23 23:38:00	^ What dugimodo said! :) You are correct . There is no law change . Yet . But I still maintain that if a reader has to get to the 44th or 50th post and think at that point that they are being misled, then they haven't read the thread properly . When in doubt, go back to the OP and re-read the first post - picking on individual phrases (even by a mod) well into the thread, without taking on the whole context of the original post is disingenuous, even if it suits your personal viewpoint . As dugimodo points out, even mods are human and are quite capable of making an assumption (subjective, and in error though it may be) that everyone in the discussion is thinking the way they are thinking . Or even in using the present tense in their reply when they (most likely) intended to use the future tense . We all interpret things subjectively, as I pointed out at the beginning of post #14 . We have to make a conscious effort to understand how someone else might be thinking, especially when it is in direct opposition to our own viewpoint . Well I’m not into mind reading but even the Title of the Thread starts Discuss: The Law……… . I go on what was put in writing before me and in this case a complete non-event was misrepresented as Law . Now the reason for that can only be complete ignorance of how Laws are founded, or a deliberate twisting of the facts . It’s one or other, so you choose, remembering the three moderators were singing from the same songbook . As I have already pointed out, the Law they are resting their case on isn’t even actually a Bill yet because it hasn’t been introduced into the House . From Parliaments own rules: Introduction A bill has no formal existence until it is introduced into the House . There is no debate at this stage but the bill is now publicly available . The bill must have an explanatory note that sets out the policy it seeks to achieve . Once introduced, it is a formal legislative proposal that may or may not progress, depending on its level of support in the House . So you see blaming the Law Makers for this Sites present problems is a load of hogwash .	B.M. (505)
1329047	2013-02-23 23:47:00	OK, so the title of the thread missed a single word: "Proposed" I hardly think that is something worth reading a conspiracy theory into it... Even Chilling_Silence and Jen are human - and I know this to be true because I've met their human forms at a couple of PressF1 Auckland meetups.... :D	johcar (6283)
1329048	2013-02-23 23:54:00	Tell me about it... I need to buy larger buckets of popcorn :D Eating popcorn / watching grass grow / and watching pigs fly would be better than reading this dribble :p	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1329049	2013-02-24 00:18:00	OK, so the title of the thread missed a single word: "Proposed" I hardly think that is something worth reading a conspiracy theory into it . . . Even Chilling_Silence and Jen are human - and I know this to be true because I've met their human forms at a couple of PressF1 Auckland meetups . . . . :D It’s very noble of you Johcar to defend your mates, but when doing so remember your credibility may go on the line with theirs . ;)	B.M. (505)
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