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Thread ID: 40559 2003-12-11 04:09:00 OT: Helping People with Disablities and the Law/Policy of it csinclair83 (200) Press F1
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199445 2003-12-13 13:44:00 This is an interesting thread which has run quite a while.

Those who have the patience to keep scrolling sideways
will find that deafness has personal implications for some long-term
posters to Press F1.

For their sake, this subject matter warrants being legible.

Many of the posts here describe how to do fantastic things with computers.
So how about suggestions for a computer fix on this thread so that we can all read it...instead of putting it in the too-hard basket? 		Laura (43)
199446 2003-12-13 14:01:00 Yes, I deliberately tried to keep my spacing short.

Even so, two thirds of my last line can't be found

without scrolling. 		Laura (43)
199447 2003-12-13 20:43:00 Laura

No one is deliberately entering in their text so that you have to scroll side-ways to read it.
This extra wide page is a side-effect of someone accidently using [ pre ] tags in their
post without releasing you have to enter in manual line breaks when using the tags. For standard formating,
the forum will automatically enter in line breaks for you, so that you can type away merrily knowing the end
product will fit on one screen width.

Once this oopsie has been done, it results in everyone else's posts conforming to that page width (unless, like you,
you enter in manual line breaks).

Only the mod's can fix it by editing the formatting on that post.

Nearly everyone who has used the [ pre ] tags has been caught out with this at one stage,
and I have been embarassed myself by doing this once accidently to a thread.

A wee bit of screen-ways scrolling once in a blue-moon on a thread is nothing to
complain about - think of the excercise your mouse is getting :) 		Jen C (20)
199448 2003-12-13 20:56:00 Jen C

For one moment I don't think Laura was "complaining"

Her comments were quite well thought out - personally, I think sideways sceolling is one of the more annoying aspects of this forum.

Personally my mouse dosen't get the excercise. Its my fingers. And I am trying to avoid RSI ! 		Baldy (26)
199449 2003-12-13 21:10:00 OK, wrong choice of word then :)

The [ pre ] tags are used for entering in code (or other text) that needs to
retain the original formatting so that it can be interpretated correctly.
That is,the author's original formatting will be displayed exactly as they
entered it without the forum adding automatic line wrapping.

As you can see, when these tags are used for general text, any long paragraph
will appear as one line.

If IDG disabled this function, then people who require their coding (or whatever) to
be displayed correctly will miss out - as will the recepient of that reply.

The pre tags are used quite often for general text formatting because
as you can see, it makes the font size appear smaller than normal 		Jen C (20)
199450 2003-12-13 21:11:00 Well I must say that I have avoided this thread completely mainly just because of the side scroll. It's not that manual line breaks aren't being added in by a user, it's more a misuse of the pre formatting tag. -=JM=- (16)
199451 2003-12-14 01:00:00 It's all my fault folks :8} :8} :8} .

I did attempt to add breaks to the pre formatting but, obviously, musta left one out or cocked it up some other way . I can't tie knots too well either so that option will need to be put on hold until a bit of practice rectifies the deficiency .

Susan B made me stand ( . pcworld . co . nz/thread . jsp?forum=1&thread=42462" target="_blank">pressf1 . pcworld . co . nz) in the corner for most of the day for my misdemeanors, what a mess, but not nearly as bad as this thread .

It is an important subject, particularly to those affected . Maybe if there is more to be said a new thread could be started with a similar topic line and a link from the last post here for navigation purposes or a slow and dirty work-a-round would be to copy and paste all the posts from this thread in to a new one with the offending post left to reside mouldering in this one .

I'll take on the task if there is a call for it .

Cheers Murray P 		Murray P (44)
199452 2003-12-14 03:39:00 Thanks for the explanation, Jen C.

It was interesting to find out about pre-formatting
tags & their purpose....and why shortening the
lines again wasn't just a simple matter.

And Murray P -Yes, I did register you'd spent time in
the corner (another post) but not what for.
So because you took your punishment like a man (Well, a
four-year-old one anyway), you are forgiven. 		Laura (43)
199453 2003-12-14 04:38:00 For those who wish to read this thread, without having
to scroll, here is a fairly easy workaround.

It is simply copying all the threads and pasting into Notepad
(I'm using Win 98, I don't know what XP uses).
I will describe it in full for the benefit of any newbies.

I have made a keyboard shortcut to open a new Notepad file
which makes it quicker (It is Ctr+Alt+N),
you will need to open Notepad normally.
Here's what I do.

1. Select the whole thread text.
2. Press Ctr+C.
3. Press Ctr+Alt+N.
4. Press Ctr+V.
The job is done and is readable with ease in the open Notepad window.

Here is how to select the whole thread.
Either left click at the start, hold down that left button
and drag to the bottom, then release it. Or, as this takes
ages in a long thread, you can do the following instead:

Scroll to the very first thread posting and left click just to the
left of the first letter of the poster's name (in this case
just before the c in csinclair83).

Then scroll down to the very last posting (you can still use
the left mouse button to drag down the scrolling sidebar,
it doesn't affect what you are about to do), then hold down
the shift key and left click immediately to the right of the very
last letter of the final posting, (in this case it is to the right of
the full stop in the word forgiven. in Laura's post).

That will select the whole thread and it will turn blue.
2. Press Ctr+C, this will copy it to the clipboard.
3. Open your Notepad new file.
4. Press Ctr+V. That will paste it into Notepad.

It will now be readable, in plain text, with no sideways scrolling
required, but will have no emoticons showing.

I hope this may be of help to a few newbies.

Cheers. :) 		exLL (515)
199454 2003-12-18 20:52:00 Thought I would tack this info onto this thread rather than start a new one since it is sort of related....

New (?) website for hearing impaired/deaf people:

http://www.nfd.org.nz/


Actually I thought the NFD had had a website for a while but the newspaper says it is new.... ? Oh well, it looks good anyway. :-) 		Susan B (19)
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