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Thread ID: 40619	2003-12-12 23:53:00	ADSL routers	Fire-and-Ice (3910)	Press F1

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199894	2003-12-12 23:53:00	Am looking to get hooked up to Jetstream soon and am researching ADSL routers . Currently there are two computers on this network connected via crossover cable with one of the computers being the gateway to the internet . Next year there will probably be a third computer added to the LAN . I understand that with a router any PC can go online without any of the others being online first as is the case at present with the non-gateway PC . What I can't figure out is whether the router actually replaces the crossover cable for the network as well as being the internet gateway for all PCs? By that I mean does it also network the computers to allow access to each other? For example in the specs for DSL's router it says: Routing The DSL-504 has an integrated routing engine that gives you power and control over your network . Built-User Access The router will save you both time and money . DHCP automatically configures computers for networking each time one is turned on . NAT allows multiple LAN users to share a single ISP account over the ADSL line, removing the need to get an account for each person wishing to go online . From this it appears that my surmising is correct but I also see the following for the Dynalink RTA300, ADSL, External, Ethernet Router: Networkable All you need is a network card, and you are up and running . . . . Multiple PC's On 1 Connection: Run multiple PC's and the Dynalink ADSL Router through a hub, and enjoy High Speed internet for all . . Reduce the need for software proxy's: Using the Router means you no longer need to have proxy server software on your ADSL gateway From the above it appears that I would need a hub as well as an ADSL router to run the LAN? It is all rather confusing but I hope this question makes sense and you can understand what I am on about . :p	Fire-and-Ice (3910)
199895	2003-12-13 00:04:00	Hi F & I I have the Dynalink RTA300 and this is what my LAN uses as well to network with . No additional cables/hardware required . Only problem is, that if my modem/router develops a fault that requires it being sent away for repair, my network falls over . >By that I mean does it also network the computers to allow access to each other? So, Yes :) Each PC hooked up (can take up to 4) will have their own independant internet connection . The modem/router is the gateway .	Jen C (20)
199896	2003-12-13 00:22:00	You are best to get a router with a hub already built into it. That way you have 1 box instead of 2 and total cost slightly cheaper. I researched the issue for my own installation, and decided to use the Nokia M1122 router with it's built in hub. Train of connections: Telephone line>cat5e cable>ADSL Router with inbuilt hub>cat5e cable>each PC You do not use any cossover cables, just cat5e cables to connect your ethhernet card to each PC socket on the hub built into that router. Alternatively, you can use an ADSL router WITHOUT integral hub, but best then to buy a hub so as all PC's can equally get ADSL access. Train of connections then becomes: Telephone Line>cat5e cable>AdSL router>cat5e cable>hub>cat5e cables 1 each >each PC. Good website to look at is<www.unixathome.org they do have a mailing list too. If you want 1 PC as Master with others accessing via it (But this slows MASTER PC down rather horribly): Get ethernet card for each PC, with multisocket ethernet cards for the Master PC. The cat5e cables from MASTER to SLAVE PC's then are CROSSOVER cat5e cables, with the cable from MASTER to Router being ordinary cat5e cable, and ordinary cat5e cable again from Router to Telephone socket. Don't forget the filters needed to keep radio frequencies out of all your telephones. If you're handy to a Dick Smith outlet, look in the rear of the catalogue, there is an excellent materials list and diagrams available. Hope that helps you	Cavity Overdrive (4981)
199897	2003-12-13 00:23:00	I purchased a DSE XH1149 for $199 when on 'special' a few months back .. now they sell for $179 :( Anyway, this router offers 4 ports, and any PC can connect to the net separate from the others at any time. It offers an USB connection too for any PC without ethernet. You can also access files on the other PC's subject to sharing permissions. I recently re-loaded Win 98 for my in-laws and popped a network card in it, it connected to the router no problems, and I was able to update all I needed, quickly, as well as transfer files back that I had stored on my HDD prior to the reformat. J :D	Jester (13)
199898	2003-12-13 01:07:00	Thanks for the replies everyone . I'm still confused but whats new? :D Jen C - it appears that your modem/router does what I am wanting to do, but I still can't understand why it says in their specs: All you need is a network card, and you are up and running . . . . Multiple PC's On 1 Connection: Run multiple PC's and the Dynalink ADSL Router through a hub, and enjoy High Speed internet for all . From that it appears that one does need a hub as well, but if you don't have one then it cant be essential? Also, when you say "No additional cables/hardware required" does that mean it comes with the cables or does one use the CAT5 cable one currently uses? Cavity Overdrive - " You are best to get a router with a hub already built into it . " - that would be ideal but the price is a deterent . If the routers that Jen C and Jester use allows networking between the PCs without having to get a hub as well then that will suit me fine .	Fire-and-Ice (3910)
199899	2003-12-13 01:16:00	> Jen C - it appears that your modem/router does what I > am wanting to do, but I still can't understand why it > says in their specs: > > All you need is a network card, and you are up and > running . . . . > Multiple PC's On 1 Connection: Run multiple PC's > and the Dynalink ADSL Router through a hub, > and enjoy High Speed internet for all . You don't have to run it through a separate hub, I guess they say this because of my previous comment that if the modem/router turned its toes up, your network will fall over . Have a hub means that the PC-PC network will continue uninterrupted . > From that it appears that one does need a hub as > well, but if you don't have one then it cant be > essential? Not essential - I only have the RTA300 and no hub and my network works perfectly :) > Also, when you say "No additional cables/hardware > required" does that mean it comes with the cables or > does one use the CAT5 cable one currently uses? Pretty sure it came with one Cat5 cable included, I just bought another one for the other PC - they are really cheap . My XP box had onboard LAN already, but the Linux box didn't so I had to install a NIC for it - again cheap and easily to install . I like how the RTA300 does it all with only the one piece of hardware on the desk .	Jen C (20)
199900	2003-12-13 01:36:00	If you operate without a hub, then 1 PC will need 2 network cards. One to connect the router and the existing one to keep the peer to peer network. You may need to have bridging enabled between the 2 network cards as well I suspect, its not that straightforward at times. Avoid connecting a router via USB if possible. I use a router connected to a hub. All PCs are also connected to the hub, as is the main printer. Hubs are cheap. Any PC can connect to the internet, or printer irrespective of the others being powered up. Use of a router in this manner provides a good firewall function for incoming data as well.	godfather (25)
199901	2003-12-13 01:56:00	> If you operate without a hub, then 1 PC will need 2 > network cards. One to connect the router and the > existing one to keep the peer to peer network. You > may need to have bridging enabled between the 2 > network cards as well I suspect, its not that > straightforward at times. GF, the ones we have been discussing have a hub built in (they offer 4 Ethernet ports). At the risk of confusing Fire and Ice, with the Dick Smith unit I mentioned, all you need is Cat 5 cable from the single Network Card in each PC to connect to the router/hub/switch/modem/do-everything-but-make-the-toast unit. The Dick Smith unit came with a Cat 5 cable, a USB connection, a power pack, and several other NIC / Telephone cable adapters. > Avoid connecting a router via USB if possible. I agree with this - the net connection is a bit slower, but one option if a PC hasn't got a network card.	Jester (13)
199902	2003-12-13 02:01:00	> If you operate without a hub, then 1 PC will need 2 > network cards. One to connect the router and the > existing one to keep the peer to peer network. But if you are not too concerned about the network collapsing if the ADSL modem/router is removed from the equation, then 2 network cards in one PC is not necessary. My setup with the Dynalink RTA300 has only one network device per machine. > I use a router connected to a hub. All PCs are also > connected to the hub, as is the main printer. Hubs > are cheap. The use of a hub in a bigger network involving a centrally located printer is certainly more ideal. wonders if she is going on the honey-tarring list :p	Jen C (20)
199903	2003-12-13 02:42:00	I was speaking generically, and as the RTA300 is also a hub, its irrelevant. Where there is a hub built into the router, you do not need another hub, you do not need 2 Network cards in one PC. Each PC uses a straight through cable (not crossover) to the ADSL router/hub unit. The router/hub connects to the ADSL enabled phone line and power, and thats it. That should give the benefit of a hardware firewall with most available routers. You can conenct printers (via print servers) later on as well. You are spared the honey treatment Jen, as I havent got that much honey ... ]:) :)	godfather (25)
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