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Thread ID: 40752	2003-12-17 02:43:00	Off Topic: Qualifications (again)	-=JM=- (16)	Press F1

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201209	2003-12-17 02:43:00	Well the time has come again to rethink on qualifications. Tertiary based qualifications, eg B.ICT, B.COM, B.Sc, etc. Industry based qualifications, eg, CCNA, A+, MCSE, etc. I'm currently doing a bachelor of information and communication technologies at CPIT and failed a couple of courses (one of them twice) so thought it might be worth thinking about doing something else before I turn into someone that never leaves polytech but never really seems to get any qualifications either. So here I am to see what the wonderful people at PressF1 think at the moment. Mainly enjoy programming, networking and working with hardware. Not a fan of design.	-=JM=- (16)
201210	2003-12-17 02:56:00	A+ & Network+ are easy to do and can get student loan if needed. Only basic entry level and not much of a "must hire". MSCE & MSCA are OK and have a "might hire" interest. More usefull if you can back them with "real world" experance. An MOUS cert seems to be very usefull for support roles... CNA & CNE are good, chalanging but limited job prospects. CISCO certs are hot, very detialed and very usefull if you wont any serious network jobs to come your way.	ugh1 (4204)
201211	2003-12-17 02:57:00	Hi JM. I can't be of any help to you but, if have failed two courses and they don't exceed 10 credits, then you should get a pass for that year. You enjoy the programming and the networking, this is what pushes most people over the edge. You should fly threw BICT. You are a smart cookie, don't give up on it. :)	Archibald (180)
201212	2003-12-17 04:04:00	Interesting comment about the cisco quals being hot... this time last year I got my cisco ccna qual, and had a year of experience building many small networks (less than 16 machines) with combos of switches and routers, and assisted in work on a large company network install. I tried for three months with no joy at all getting a permanent job, and found that commercial interest in cisco quals over here is not very high, in fact one of the interviews I went to the CIO had not even heard of it... (large company - won't name it tho)	craig_b (2740)
201213	2003-12-17 04:43:00	My advice for you is to have a good hard think about the field you want to work in ..... What area's do you excel in?? What do you really enjoy doing?? Is the area you excel in also the one you enjoy?? Remember this is the career you will be working in for 40++ hours a week .... every week ..... every year ## until you get sick of it and change careers :-) So you may as well be doing something you enjoy, but more importantly these days is you need to be good at it. There is no point in pursuing an area where you may only mediocre at best, unfortunately there will be a 100 others out there who excel in that area. Think about the things you have worked at through the year where you found it came naturally and you were good at it... this is the direction you want to follow ==>> if you follow a path where you find it too hard then you may end up hating going to work in the mornings. A reasonable challenge is good .... but there are limits. Also contrary to popular belief IT/IS is becoming a saturated market, every year more and more people are getting pumped out of the Uni's, poly-techs and private institutions with qualifications in this area but not getting jobs or taking jobs in areas they really don't want to work. Don't get me wrong, the jobs are there .... but it's a lot tighter market these day's and the competition is a lot stiffer for the job's that are there. Just my thoughts anyway .........	TazzieNZ (463)
201214	2003-12-17 05:04:00	>>Also contrary to popular belief IT/IS is becoming a saturated market Boy, do I know that. Yes, its a very competitive job market. IT companies can employ grads, and work them into the ground, cos there's another one waiting to that the job.	Dolby Digital (160)
201215	2003-12-17 05:08:00	JM, I don't like seeing quitters, but I was no better at school. Tertiary based qualifications are useful to anyone, they are recognised internationally and you get letters in front of or after your name :P Avoid A+ & Network+ and Inet+ unless people specifically require that. These are entry level, but not widely looked for. They are a waste of money unfortunately unless you find a job looking at those skills. I would go the next step up from those qualifications. Basically you should find out what job you are after, and see what they require in qualification wise, you will find that it's more Experience than anything else, and I keep asking these people how can they get experience if no one wants to hire them? Unfortunately my business idea went down the drown, with a guy I would have gone into partnership with that was going to be created to help people get work experience. This is so I could sit in a nice comfy seat put my feet up and let someone else take care of my clients. Well not really, I enjoy my job, I just thought letting someone take over every now and again to get the experience, especially if it's a job I really hate :P	Kame (312)
201216	2003-12-17 05:11:00	> Interesting comment about the cisco quals being > hot... > > this time last year I got my cisco ccna qual, and had > a year of experience building many small networks > (less than 16 machines) with combos of switches and > routers, and assisted in work on a large company > network install. > > I tried for three months with no joy at all getting a > permanent job, and found that commercial interest in > cisco quals over here is not very high, in fact one > of the interviews I went to the CIO had not even > heard of it... (large company - won't name it tho) > I think it is more the in deapth understanding of TCP/IP and the routing / management side of the qual that is hot. Not many places have heard of it, but let them know what it entails and they can relate. If you wont the ultimate qual go for RHCE!! just have a big bank account to get it!	ugh1 (4204)
201217	2003-12-17 10:15:00	> I keep asking these people how can they get > experience if no one wants to hire them? Yes that can be a problem, but by working as work experience (no pay ) this can be done BTW My advice is similar to what has already been given, " target your qualifications", Also never give up, I went back to Ploy' at 40, ( yes failed a few modules also) then got a I.T. Support job, then did some more training (Novel CNA) And I suppose I never learn, but back again to Ploy' next year to extend my quails.	beama (111)
201218	2003-12-17 11:50:00	Programming is a pretty intensive industry from what i've seen and you won't really get a look in without some form of degree . (even then, people i know are struggling to find programming jobs with masters in B . sc) Unless you find a niece (urgh don't know how to spell it but you know what i mean) there is not much in the IT industry . Its becoming a standard job, like an electrician or builder . Maybe finish your qualifications and get some experience, and then choose from there . It isn't easy, but then again, it was never meant to be - David	DangerousDave (697)
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