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202356	2003-12-25 08:42:00	BSD	mikebartnz (21)
202357	2003-12-25 08:57:00	BSD? A properly set up win98 is rock solid although quite prone to driver related issues and buggy software.When set up right shes sweet as. WINXP is just rock solid all the way,Its problems are security related. If ive ever had a machine that was prone to crashing ive simply fixed it. Personally im not anti-mac in anyway apart from the price.If people are happy to pay the coin then good on them.However i dont see them as superior to a windows pc in anyway and certainly not the holy grail as some would have you believe.	metla (154)
202358	2003-12-25 09:15:00	BSD is a clone of unix (like Linux) created by I think it was Berkley university in San Fran	mikebartnz (21)
202359	2003-12-25 09:21:00	oh.:D:D:D	metla (154)
202360	2003-12-25 10:44:00	My UpTime is 12 days, 7 hours and 15 minutes (By the time this will have been posted). During this time, not a single application has frozen, crashed, or stopped responding. I have thrown so much at this PC during this time (Tried creating an endless loop with my Make command.. had interesting results...). The only reason I rebooted before that was to try out the 2.6 kernel (I now realise I had left out a few essential modules), but failed. Before that, my uptime was approx. 7 days, and again, not a Single program crashed :D I have been a Linux user for around 9 months now. I have been using Windows since Windows 3.11 came out, spending countless hours tweaking and destroying the OS. When I last formatted my Windows XP Drive (which is now just sitting inside the PC, not mounted, but still powered) it took around 2 minutes from the time I took my password, to the time it was fully loaded. We are talking about the same person who could make Windows 98SE run on a P75, and boot in less than 20 seconds! Admittedly though, I have paid a high price for my OS, as it's taken almost 4 days of non-stop compiling (I installed Gentoo almost a month ago now) all up to get my Rock-Solid OS to its current state. It was usable (for my needs) after about 18 hours so the rest carried on as I did. Not everybody would want to spend that amount of time though setting up Gentoo Linux, which is why Windows is so much more attractive. He's right, just install it and it _usually_ works. If not, you'll have drivers on a CD that came with your PC. I installed gentoo and got minimalistic command line applications, but the advantage is that it has all been built on my PC, for my PC! It flies! I cannot however see my friends who have only just learned how to use Email spending days compiling an OS from Source code. Im sure Mac's come in to play somewhere too, but havent used them. Different Strokes for Different Folks IMO. If you like Windows and are happy with it, then good on ya, Im not going to be the one to tell you different, nor would I want somebody barking up my tree to use a Mac. Would anybody here _really_ want that? (If they were content with their current Personal Computer setup?) Chill.	Chilling_Silently (228)
202361	2003-12-25 11:53:00	Okay... sorry guys... I was a bit overzealous back there...sorry if i offended anyone but I was quite peeved off at Microsoft at that point and I am paranoid about them overtaking this world. Ever played State of Emergency? (I think I was just having a Rant and a Rave) So let me compile my thoughts into more sense (coldfusion said my post made little/no sense) MacOS X is purely Beautiful. I think I read it runs purely on a UNIX base. It integrates perfectly as others have said. Did I mention it looks beatiful? But beauty is in the eye of the beholder and I used to hate Macs... but lately they have taken a big step forwards with MacOS X and there designs are awesome. Coldfusion said that you can't mod them. But can't and mod don't work in the same sentence. Despite Microsoft commiting Industrial Espionage on them they are still doing pretty well towards the Monopolistic Giant. But this could only be because M$ owns 20 Million shares or something in the company. Gregs computer is cool. But it is still boring like any PC. No offence. My box is nothing. Just a normal navy fronted beige box with the biggest mods on it being the bent cover from standing on it while it was on the floor (twice) and pencil mark plans in the top for a blowhole. But as soon as I get the money, time and expertise, I'm gonna give it (or any PC I may have) a good going over. Some kind of convection button that you just touch to turn it on; slit CD drive like on the G4 cube; grey paint with glass/perspex overlay, to get it the furthest away fromlooking like a PC (but not necessarily (did I spell it right then?) closer to a Mac). My screenshot would just show a standard Windows 2000 taskbar and a whatever background I happen to have on at that time. I have experimented extensively with modifiers such as Desktop X, WindowsBlinds, Object bar, Object Dock, Desktop Architect and all the rest but its not the same. The Icons don't look right. WB doesn't put things in the right place or distorts something like always. Its just not the same as anything... be it Mac, Linux, or whatever. And yes, I have tried making my own themes but without success. Windows XP, whichever way you look at it, has something wrong with it. I have yet to see a Windows XP system that doesn't f**k something up. Both XP Home and Pro are filled with bugs and insecurity problems. You could say thats what you get for budget software. Sure its budget but M$ charge the world for it. And considering they thiefed it off everyone else... (Remember Acorns "Taskbar"). Come to think of it I don't know any Microsoft system that doesn't crash, spy on you, or have insecurity problems...do you? And if you thing about it, Microsoft is the reason computers have such a bad name. They say Windows is the most commonly used OS and people are always complaining about their computers crashing or getting an error. Put two and two together... I have seen a Linux computer crash, but that was my fault. The MacOS 9 and below's use to crash all the time. However nothing is more daunting, frustrating and annoying than a BSOD. As for Linux... thats pretty much the OS everyones wants... but without the hard work. Its stable, eye-candy-able (as Chill has already pointed out) and can withstand copious amounts of uptime. But you have to be an expert to set it up! If someone made a automatic wizard thingee for Linux (rather like the M$ setup way(s) [GASP!]) it would surely take off. So I leave you with these questions. 1. Why doesn't someone make linux easier to install? 2. Why is everyone so oblivious to M$'s immorality and eronousity? 3. I had a Mac one that would have finished this post off nicely but it has runaway! þ3@ç3 Öút! H@m$t@r	hamstar (4)
202362	2003-12-25 13:09:00	In the current day and age the hardware and operating system is pretty much irrelevant to most new to computer system users. They've got to the point where once they've been set up they are stable and easy to use. I've used an OS10 system for a week on and off while still using Windows systems and found I could do anything I wanted to do on it. This was an eMac last year. Linux is the same. It's just that in Windows I can do more advanced things because... I've used it for longer. If anyone has a modern hardware and OS setup and is finding it to not be stable, there IS something wrong somewhere.	-=JM=- (16)
202363	2003-12-25 21:02:00	pc are the best cause im using one B-)	Hiren (3722)
202364	2003-12-25 21:47:00	>1. Why doesn't someone make linux easier to install? Well having installed numerous copies of Windows and about six of Linux I would have to say that Linux is easier to install and doesn't need a dozen reboots	mikebartnz (21)
202365	2003-12-25 22:07:00	> I have experimented extensively with > modifiers such as Desktop X, WindowsBlinds, Object > bar, Object Dock, Desktop Architect and all the rest > but its not the same. The Icons don't look right. > WB doesn't put things in the right place or distorts > something like always. That is where Linux (namely GNOME/Kde) and MacOS are better, because of their more advanced theming abilities.... With Gtk, all the changes are seamless! > And if you thing about it, Microsoft is the reason > computers have such a bad name. They say Windows is > the most commonly used OS and people are always > complaining about their computers crashing or getting > an error. Put two and two together... Too right! Well said > I have seen a Linux computer crash, but that was my > fault. The MacOS 9 and below's use to crash all the > time. However nothing is more daunting, frustrating > and annoying than a BSOD. Nothing is more freaky than Kernel Panic (Just the way it looks, white text on blackbackground as you boot... Worse than a BSOD, but at least it tells you how to fix it!) > As for Linux... thats pretty much the OS everyones > wants... but without the hard work. Its stable, > eye-candy-able (as Chill has already pointed out) and > can withstand copious amounts of uptime. But you > have to be an expert to set it up! If someone made a > automatic wizard thingee for Linux (rather like the > M$ setup way(s) [GASP!]) it would surely take off. I think you'll find that Redhat are making great steps toward this. I last used Redhat back in Redhat 9 days (about 3 weeks before it was released I went to Slackware), but even then the redhat-config-* toolset was brilliant. Ive checked out online screenshots of the latest ones too, and the XFree one looks like it can easily configure TV-Out on nVidia cards etc too! Watch this space.. ;-) > 2. Why is everyone so oblivious to M$'s immorality > and eronousity? I dont think that people are, but there's a Large amount of FUD that's spread. In all honesty, get somebody started off using Linux or a Mac, and they'll be semi-oblivious to the rest of the worlds downfalling (I call the Blaster worm a major Downfalling)! Anti-virus I hear you say? What's that? Wouldnt it be great to give a computer n00b a system which doesnt need anti-virus update, nor critical system patches every 2nd week? Im about to build a client a PC (Theyve never used one before), but they've been told about Linux and are keen to use that as their OS. Admittedly they're going to buy an iMac in a few months too... ;-) > 3. I had a Mac one that would have finished this > post off nicely but it has runaway! Bugger when that happens eh ;-) > > 1. Why doesn't someone make linux easier to install? > Well having installed numerous copies of Windows and about six of Linux I would > have to say that Linux is easier to install and doesn't need a dozen reboots Well said, Lycoris Desktop/LX doesnt even need a reboot after install! BTW Greg > Be proud of your PC man, any case mod is more than what about 90-95% of people here would have ;-) *Chilling_Silently hopes he has been raving too much himself :8}	Chilling_Silently (228)
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