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Thread ID: 129507	2013-02-25 22:21:00	Don't very often say this, but stupid cyclist.	Trev (427)	PC World Chat

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1329941	2013-02-26 06:44:00	Tut, that is Quite Easily Done - thus reinforcing the wisdom of getting off and walking across, particularly if you are still a relative newcomer to multi gear bikes. However, even if you are more experienced, and you aren't paying attention, it is easy to forget the cog you were in when you were barrelling up to the turning point. I have had that experience recently so no critisism of his comment. Now I get off and walk across. In my case I had enough power to get onto the road but not enough to get out of the way of an oncoming motorist who fortunately had his wits about him and managed to avoid me otherwiose I could have ended up in the same boat.	tut (12033)
1329942	2013-02-26 08:54:00	Tut, I didn't think you were criticising the comment - in hindsight I guess I was teaching a grand(father) to suck eggses. Been there, done it myself, got away with it, not willing to risk it again! Obviously you have too!	John H (8)
1329943	2013-02-26 09:03:00	As one who gave up cycling in the 1960's (too dangerous) I am aghast that anyone with nothing more between his bum and my bumper than some tightly-stretched Lycra would ever willingly put themselves anywhere near moving vehicles. Cyclists have a low visual profile yet seem to believe that motorists can see them from great distances and will have room to manoeuvre around their wildly unpredictable swervings without hitting either them or another vehicle. Considering it is always the cyclist who comes off worst in any car/truck vs cyclist, I would think that if taking a longer or slower route to their destination would keep them safer, they would take it every time. Watching them racing cars down the centreline of Ngaio gorge every morning is hair raising. And when they're lying in agony on the side of the road, it is always the motorist's fault... YEAH RIGHT!	Blue Druid (4480)
1329944	2013-02-26 09:56:00	When they are in agony like that, it is a kindness to back over them. ;)	R2x1 (4628)
1329945	2013-02-26 20:27:00	I have a sneaking feeling that this rule change was made at the same time as the stupid change to the right turning rule which we have recently back-tracked from. I wonder what rocket science road traffic "experts" we had at that time, and what they were smoking? Both rule changes seemed to forget the real world of narrow NZ roads with fast moving and aggressive traffic. Do you think we might see this idiocy reversed as well? I wonder if it was considered when they worked out it was wise to reverse the right hand turning rule change? Did I miss something? the right hand rules changed last year (march was it?) and there has been no back-tracking that I'm aware off, the new rules still stand. I've gotten used to it but there are still a lot of roads/ intersections/ lights that need a redesign to work with the new rules. Sitting in a right hand turning lane at the lights and going through a whole sequence of green/red/green because there's no right turn arrow and the busy left turning lane has right of way is not good - you end up parking in the middle of the intersection and running the start of a red light because it's the only way to move. As for stupid cyclists being unusual, sorry not true. There are undoubtedly a lot of good ones around but I don't notice those, what I do see constantly is cyclists who seem to think they are invunerable taking on traffic in the stupidest of ways. I don't ride often, but in the city when I do I find you have to act like you don't have right of way even when you do a lot of the time and treat all motorists as either being completely unaware of you or a homicidal maniac who wants you dead.	dugimodo (138)
1329946	2013-02-26 21:10:00	Did I miss something? the right hand rules changed last year (march was it?) and there has been no back-tracking that I'm aware off, the new rules still stand. (snip) Hmmm, this has got confusing, largely because of me introducing a smelly red herring. The rules changed last year as you say. Those rule changes were the back tracking. When I first learned to ride/drive 50 years ago, the rules for turning right at intersections were as they are today, with one exception. Some years ago, the Ministry of Transport wallies had a collective brain fart and changed those time-honoured rules. Last year's rule changes was the back tracking to the sensible rules of the past. I cannot be sure, but I think the rule that allows right turning drivers to sit in the middle of an OPEN SPEED LIMIT road, even where there is no turning lane, waiting until they can turn right, may have been introduced as part of the brain fart some years ago. Prior to that, the rule was that you had to pull over onto the left hand side of the road until the road was clear both ways (ie from both oncoming and following traffic) for a safe turn. Sadly IMHO, last year they left this rule alone, so you can still park in the middle of the road. I think that is very dangerous, and choose not to use that rule. Example: in North Canterbury, there is a place where people coming south from Amberley on the Main North Road come down a small hill, cross a bridge over the Kowai River, and then turn right to go into Leithfield. Traffic travelling south cannot see a car parked in the middle of the road waiting to turn, until they are almost on top of them (especially if there is traffic in front of you). I have nearly collected a turning vehicle in this way. Yet there is plenty of room for turning traffic to park off the road on the left until the road is clear both ways. If a cyclist chose to make the currently permitted turn, they would be dog tucker.	John H (8)
1329947	2013-02-26 21:24:00	I suspect that the rule that allows right turning drivers to sit in the middle of an OPEN SPEED LIMIT road, even where there is no turning lane, waiting until they can turn right, was probably introduced at the same point in time that overtaking on the left (or "undertaking", as I prefer to call it) on the motorway was approved....	johcar (6283)
1329948	2013-02-26 23:38:00	Perhaps the drivers undertaking on the left of a right turning vehicle could slow down to give themselves more time and control of the vehicle. Just saying	prefect (6291)
1329949	2013-02-26 23:42:00	Perhaps the drivers undertaking on the left of a right turning vehicle could slow down to give themselves more time and control of the vehicle. Just saying Ahh. But human nature being what it is .... unlikely to happen. :)	johcar (6283)
1329950	2013-02-26 23:47:00	Ahh. But human nature being what it is .... unlikely to happen. :) Well I sure dont barrel past on the left of a stationary car in the middle of the road at 100KPH.	prefect (6291)
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