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Thread ID: 41036	2003-12-28 02:31:00	LINUX - Window Managers	Ender (5019)	Press F1

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203643	2003-12-28 02:31:00	I read Geoff Palmer's 'Other (desktop) worlds' article in the November issue of PC World and decided that if I had Linux I would probably want to use IceWM. I didn't actually have Linux at that stage, but I got it a few weeks ago and now, with some familiarity around the place and the internet working I thought maybe a new window manger would be a good idea. (Considering the computer its installed on is 150MHz 64MB RAM its a miracle I've got this far with GNOME) I would like to change to IceWM, as Geoff Palmer's article led me to decide, but there are not actually any instructions as to how to change to it. I am using RedHat Linux version 9. G.P's article says the Window Managers are all on the Linux istallation discs - all very well and good but there are 3 of them full of obscure names and which disc is it on anyway? But, let that not be a problem, I downloaded IceWM from sourceforge.net Anything else I say will probably not be useful (gcc stuff), I would be grateful if anyone could give or point me to generic Window Manger installation help. Very basic help - I have found the installation help in the IceWM file I downloaded, but it seems to expect me to know about compiling files before installing them. Which I don't know.	Ender (5019)
203644	2003-12-28 05:08:00	>>all very well and good but there are 3 of them full of obscure names and which disc is it on anyway? Thats why you need to use the Package Manager (like Add/Remove Programs in Windows). The Package Manager has a list of all installed software and software you can install off the cd's (or installation media). Once you select a program to install, it will tell you which cds to put in the drive. BTW, I live in Lower Hutt too, if you need help.	Dolby Digital (160)
203645	2003-12-28 05:57:00	Linuxville Arizona, Lower Hutt, same thing. Is the Package Manager that thing that was in the installation at the very beginning - where you chose such things as Gnome and/or KDE, Programming tools, games, everything you did or did not want to install, with a running total of disk space required etc? If it is, I have found it since installation - when I was looking for stuff on the CDs, and it diiidn't help. It only has the major PACKAGES - and perhaps IceWM isn't important enough to be a package. Its just a file. Maybe? I'll go look at it again...	Ender (5019)
203646	2003-12-28 06:06:00	Gnome can be tricky. I am guessing you are using Gnome 1.4 with such low hardware. If you are not then you probably should consider downgrading (or using a distro like Debian) as Gnome 2 is taxing on reasonably standard hardware, let alone 150hz machines. In some distro's the Window Manager Caplet works fine: www.docs.cs.huji.ac.il In Debian I have found it not to be so useful. As a workaround once you have IceWM installed (via rpm or deb) in the terminal you will type: killall sawfish (Enter) then... <path to iceWM>icewm (Enter) This will kill Sawfish (the default WM) and start iceWM. If Sawfish isn't your default WM then do a killall for whatever it is... Once this is done log out of Gnome to save the settings and you should be good to go.	paintbuoy (3087)
203647	2003-12-28 07:03:00	Program is called "Package Management" and is started from the menu [redhatlogo] - System Tools - Add/Remove Applications ? If thats what you're talking about it doesn't help. It only has big things. X Window Manager, Gnome Desktop Environment, KDE Desktop Environment, Server things, System tools etc. Actually, looking through it again I found something useful - gcc. Its in the 'development tools' package, so I didn't install it the first time, but since I have found that everything has to be compiled using gcc before being installed, it is something I need. I had downloaded gcc to install - but installing that required you to 'make' it first, and that just gets errors. Whatever. In fact, with gcc I might now be able to follow the instructions provided with the version of IceWM that I downloaded from sourceforge. I'll do that later tonight or maybe tomorrow. Or maybe later if I get too enthralled by these 3d glasses... mm buying computer.howstuffworks.com http://www.edimensional.com/ Waaiiiit a minute, theres no Linuxville in Arizona.... Thanks for the offer, though maybe the forums can fix it first. (That and I'm 14) Paintbuoy, I haven't got it installed yet. Or I don't think I have anyway - searches for it don't find anything. And that's the problem. This capplet thing looks like it might work if IceWM is in fact installed and I don't know it, but where do you run it from? Its whatever version of Gnome that comes with RedHat 9, the newest redhat right? - so its probably the newest Gnome too. 150Hz, my computer is offended! MegaHz it says! Yes, it dies trying to run whatever WM it is. Or the operating system. One or the other. So I'm trying to change it.	Ender (5019)
203648	2003-12-28 07:23:00	Look for apt and a gui front end called synaptic. These help make ones life easier to install some software.	mark.p (383)
203649	2003-12-28 07:35:00	Btw my personall fav Window Manager is Window Maker, read Geofs artical too, found icewm too limiting. Works well on resource restrained PCs. There are plenty of themes available for it too.	mark.p (383)
203650	2003-12-28 07:36:00	Apt and synaptic to be searched for on web?	Ender (5019)
203651	2003-12-28 07:55:00	redhat-config-packages For packages from the Install CD's (IceWM isnt one of them) kpackage _may_ be installed for other management. Dont bother with that though, just use the command line: rpm -Uvh packagename.rpm Run that as root and you should be peachy. I'd recommend Xfce4 to be honest on that hardware. And no, GNOME 1.4 does _not_ come with Redhat 9 and there's no point getting it for it unless you REALLY love GNOME, go with something Lighter than that.. :-)	Chilling_Silently (228)
203652	2003-12-28 07:56:00	Ok, well with the downloaded version of IceWM put on the computer, I followed the instructions in its install file. I run autogen.sh then configure (in a terminal) Through running configure it lists what its checking for and whether it finds it. eg: checking for int..... yes checking size of int... 1 checking for socket... yes checking for strtoul...no and so on happily until it comes to checking for X... no configure: error: X Window Manager System not found and it goes back to command prompt. It died. I couldn't find X. But X is needed for all of Linux's GUI isn't it? So I must have it! Whats up?	Ender (5019)
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