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Thread ID: 41441	2004-01-11 07:36:00	AMD or P4?	Madcat (5098)	Press F1

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206722	2004-01-11 08:30:00	No you are just taking the p. Bang for buck and overclocking abilities clearly belong to the Intel P4 2.4C. You are mad to suggest the same comparable AMD CPU can keep up with that chip. At $285 for a chip which can overclock potentially up to a 3Ghz CPU without the need for additional cooling?? Lo.	Lohsing (219)
206723	2004-01-11 08:31:00	> No you are just taking the p. That should read "Now you are just taking the p." and it was in response to Jester's post. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
206724	2004-01-11 08:31:00	> Where in hell do you get the idea that AMD cpu's > aren't stable and have a short life? i could find you for you ]:)	Megaman (344)
206725	2004-01-11 08:46:00	>Where in hell do you get the idea that AMD cpu's aren't stable and have a short life? My post didn't actually say that - but I think most people would agree that Intel CPUs on average do last longer.	JohnD (509)
206726	2004-01-11 08:57:00	pppffftttt. And in no way are intel more stable as has been said now a couple times.	metla (154)
206727	2004-01-11 09:04:00	Anyhow,Intel and AMD both make excellent products that outperform the average user's needs by a wide margin.Both are suported by excellent chipsets,both are rock solid,neither chip has any stability problems. AMD currently has not only the most powerfull cpu's on the market but also the best performing cpu's in all price brackets. They are not unstable,they do not run hot,and they most certainly do not die young.	metla (154)
206728	2004-01-11 09:33:00	What about the P4 2.6GHz "C", that can be overclocked to 3.4GHz with the standard HSF (according to PCPP). Take your pick, P4 2.4 C or 2.6 C.	agent (30)
206729	2004-01-11 09:37:00	Where would you actually get the P4 2.4C in Auckland? Or the 2.6C for that matter.	agent (30)
206730	2004-01-11 09:51:00	The "C" in P4 2.4C refers to the fact that the chip is a 800Mhz FSB chip, as opposed to a 533Mhz FSB. The P4 2.4 or 2.6C is commonly available in Auckland, but it is a certain batch number that you need to buy. Not sure which ones, but info is freely available on the internet. Lo.	Lohsing (219)
206731	2004-01-11 10:30:00	This is one I just cannot resist. At work I use a p4 3.0GHz, 800MHz fsb, 1024Mb DDR ram, ~40Gb free disk space on windows disk, and about the same on the other. both disks are 7200RPM. I have an nvidia quadro4 550 XGL 64Mb gfx card, and a sb live 5.1 snd card. At home I have an athlon 1.2GHz, 512Mb 133 SDram, about the same free disk space, more in some cases, also 7200rpm disks. I have an nvidia geforceFX 5600 128Mb ram, and the same sound board. Both machines have the same thermaltake psu. Work system has a solid copper thermaltake cpu and northbridge cooler, home is using the stock aluminium cpu cooler, and has no northbridge cooler. My work machine howls like a banshee, and has done from day one, which is why I got the thermaltakes that I use at home installed - helped a little... My home machine runs with little more than a low hum, but this is due to the fact I have two extra fans, but run them at 1/4 normal speed. p4's are thus not quieter. Temps Work: case: 10-15 above ambient (in an aircon'd office) cpu, 20 above case. Home case: 2 above ambient, no aircon psu: 10 above case P4's don't run cooler (although it is a faster chip, it has a much better cooler) performance wise, I really cannot tell which is faster when running office and web browsing apps, until I start extreme multitasking. It is not unknown for me to have a cad app running and a combination of about 20 web pages and 10 acrobat docs open, along with outlook, and sometimes word at work. My home machine would sweat under this load, but I don't need this at home. Cost Work: ~$6000 Home: ~$2800 (this includes an upgraded monitor, gfx card, ram and sound card and the orig purchase price) Thus, even a 2.5yr old athlon thunderbird is able to basically keep up with a brand new (3 month) p4 for most everyday tasks. And here comes the point of my diatribe: Work out what you need from a PC, and make your choice based on costs. The brand of components makes very little difference these days... If you need office apps and web browsing, why spend $5000, when $1800 will buy a very nice system. If you need, and I mean NEED a high spec machine that won't slow down under extreme loads and graphics demands, then you will need to spend some dollars... Each person you talk to about this sort of topic will have their own view based on what they have seen and experienced, and will present their view of the world as the only view. The best advice is to listen to as many of these people as possible, and make your won decision. Craig.	craig_b (2740)
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