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208289 2004-01-18 09:41:00 The clarity/reception issues are more related to the proximity of cell locations, and not CDMA vs GSM .

The possible 3G upgrade to the Telecom network needs more money than Telecom can justify on their own, and may not happen .

The Vodafone upgrade is more probable, which will see the technical superiority lie with the 021 network in all probability .

The $10 all you can eat texting on 027 has little to do with network efficiency and more to do with marketing .

Generally (Chilling excepted) the main users of txt services are not the high value customers that a network may want to attract . Business customers generate more revenue, so its not a priority for 021 to gain the txt genre of customers apparently .

Its always a leap frog issue, where one tecnology gains an advantage over another . It looks like 021 will be ahead of 027 shortly for a while .

If you travel overseas, the Vodafone 021 phone is more convenient . You can buy or rent a SIM card in another country for cheap local operation if you don't want todo international roaming (not prepay locked phones) .

It wasn't all that long ago Telecom was the dominant player and Vodafone (Bell South) was a poor cousin .
godfather (25)
208290 2004-01-18 10:21:00 HI there - Ive have a vodaphone phone and our bank is and I do top ups both through westpac ATM and telephone banking and dont get any charges.

My phone is a prepaid one.

:) Bug
Ladybug (3129)
208291 2004-01-19 00:13:00 It's my understanding that text messaging is actually quite profitable for the networks due to the fact that it utilises excess capacity on the network. Alasta (1420)
208292 2004-01-19 00:14:00 CDMA is not common in Europe at all. CDMA is widely used in North America while GSM is the generally accepted standard in Europe and South-east Asia.

Also, strictly speaking, Telecom won't be switching to GSM as such. If the 3G upgrade goes ahead, then they will be using UMTS which the the 3G equivalent of GSM.
Alasta (1420)
208293 2004-01-19 07:12:00 You want cheap txts then telecom. If ya want to txt mates around the world then vodafone.
If you want to take ya phone and number overseas then vodafone(voda fone NZ use the GSM system,by the end of this year they figure that 1 billion people will be using GSM, accounting for 72 per cent of all digital cellular users).

Check with friends,whats the coverage on both networks in your area?
What kind of phone ya want?
What do you want the phone to do?
Think on all the questions then decide.

I am on vodafone.but i did have telecom mobile before that.
andrewc (1143)
208294 2004-01-19 07:23:00 The path to 3G

The Telecom evolution:CDMA2000 - Code division multiple access, multiple transmissions carried simultaneously on a single radio frequency band .

CDMA1xRTT - Telecom's latest evolution, provides data transfer speeds averaging 60 kilobits per second (Kbps) to 80Kbps, twice as fast as dial-up internet .

CDMA1xEV-DO and EV-DV - Telecom's logical next step . Increases voice and data capacity with potential data transfer speeds up to several megabits per second (Mbps) .

The Vodafone evolution:

GSM - Global system for mobile communications, the alternative to CDMA . A standard based on time division multiple access . All of Vodafone's customers use it .

GPRS - general packet radio service, with data speeds up to 114Kbps . The next step up from GSM . Popular among business mobile and Vodafone Live! users .

W-CDMA - wideband CDMA, a third-generation (3G) wireless technology for voice calls and data transfer at speeds of up to 2Mbps . This is the standard for Vodafone and TelstraClear and now Telecom is looking at it . While it is based on the same technology as Telecom's CDMA platform, it is a different standard and is the evolution from GPRS . W-CDMA competes with CDMA1x EV-DO and EV-DV .
andrewc (1143)
208295 2004-01-19 07:37:00 > You want cheap txts then telecom .

anything cheap please

> If ya want to txt
> mates around the world then vodafone .

i might text my cousin in aussie if he gets a phone

> If you want to take ya phone and number overseas then
> vodafone(voda fone NZ use the GSM system,by the end
> of this year they figure that 1 billion people will
> be using GSM, accounting for 72 per cent of all
> digital cellular users) .

i dont go overseas . but if i do go on holiday i would like to take it with me .

> Check with friends,whats the coverage on both
> networks in your area?

i live in christchurch

> What kind of phone ya want?

a cheap $200 or under one . the one i like is the nokia 2280

> What do you want the phone to do?

well it does things i want . talk and text . the wap and voice activated dialing is an extra . the scheduler i might need though @ high school and i might buy some more face plates .

> Think on all the questions then decide .

hmmm . . .

> I am on vodafone . but i did have telecom mobile before
> that .
Megaman (344)
208296 2004-01-19 08:11:00 Early speculation at this stage is that Telecom will go with W-CDMA (UMTS) rather than CDMA2000 because their Australian wireless subsidiary (Hutchison?) is using the former. Alasta (1420)
208297 2004-01-19 08:27:00 From a NZ Herald story . . .

Telecom, which shares roughly half of the mobile market with Vodafone, has confirmed that it has commissioned equipment makers Ericsson and Alcatel to undertake a radio-planning exercise, which will look at forgoing an upgrade of the current 027 network and replacing it with an entirely new and more expensive network .

"We've engaged some resources out of Ericsson and Alcatel to work with us on our long-term planning around W-CDMA," said Telecom's head of network investment, Stephen Crombie .

"We've got W-CDMA assets in Australia with Hutchison [but] we're committed along our CDMA path with the current network, which is performing really well . "

Insiders say Telecom has become increasingly nervous at activity in the Vodafone and TelstraClear camps as they plan for 3G .

Telecom's planning exercise is understood to consider a number of scenarios - from building W-CDMA networks in main centres and negotiating with Vodafone for roaming around the rest of the country, to overlaying its own network with GSM, the standard Telecom passed over when it built its 027 network .

This would be an admission that Telecom backed the wrong horse when it settled on the CDMA standard several years ago .

Globally, GSM is the dominant standard and is expected to pass the one-billion-subscriber mark this year, all of whom are destined to upgrade to W-CDMA handsets .

The CDMA standard has 60 million subscribers and networks, mainly in Asia and the US . A lack of seamless global roaming is its biggest downfall .
andrewc (1143)
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