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Thread ID: 41770	2004-01-21 20:08:00	FBI raids house looking for Half-Life 2 hacker	Biggles (121)	Press F1

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209092	2004-01-22 02:58:00	Bruce, I can tell by your demeanor that you are truly sorry and repentant and that your shame is heartfelt and sincere and furthermore that the remarks were made in all likelihood from the perspective of someone who has something to loose in respect of the subject whereas others have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain ;). Therefore I deem, all is forgiven Bruce. Cheers, The Arbiter of Good Taste & Hypocrisy, Murray P	Murray P (44)
209093	2004-01-22 03:08:00	Do not open source programmers spend a reasonably large amount of time freely contributing to projects, yet they get no monetary benefits out of it (although Trolltech have a good system, in my mind)? Anyway, there are various good arguments on both sides of this, er, conversation. Some people believe that Valve made up the intrusion as an excuse to cover for their delays. Others praised the intrusion [in a way] because they purportedly got a glimpse of the game. Either way, the intrusion was a breach of security (whether or not Valve had good security measures in place), and the person(s) responsible should be brought to justice. Intellectual property, copyrights, and patents all have their place, although yes, we have seen some more outrageous shams lately. Personally, I think the record industry had it coming. I remember days when a newly released double CD album would cost no more than $30. Even that is verging on unreasonable, unless the album has very good songs on it. Now I'm seeing double CDs being released at $40, and CDs that are 4-5 years old can still cost $35. No wonder illicit file trading took off. That said, I buy totally legitimate albums (unless New Zealand CD stores participate in mass fraud behind the backs of RIANZ, APRA, etc) if I feel they are worth it. The radio suits me enough, and seeing as I'm paying broadcasting fees for my right to listen to that, I do. I do think some of the patents we've seen are completely illogical (like Amazon claiming a patent on "their" method of online shopping - an absolute corporate sham, yet some rather silly [for want of better words to describe the logics behind everything] systems and people let it through), but I respect the right of corporations to protect something that they came up with - only so far as it is a logical protection, of course.	agent (30)
209094	2004-01-22 03:20:00	>I also agree with John Grieve about the failure of the free market experiment too . I don't get how we ended up with this being about the free market, failed or otherwise . Copyright as a concept has nothing to do with the free market . Being compensated for work done - the buying and selling of both labour and the products of that labour, is also not about the free market . John's argument was that: "And intellectual property? Its the greatest crime of all . Information should be free - all of it . Copyright is a sham used to protect big business predominantly and their extremely excessive profits from distributing info . " Now that's not about the free market . That's about a fundamental basis of human society, namely that you have the right to sell a product you own . John seems to equate this with economic failure but while there are many things wrong with a free market (which I incidentally do not 100% support), copyright is not one of them . The abuse of copyright yes, as seen in several high-profile IT cases last year, but as a concept copyright is now different to ownership of property . Without intellectual property and copyright, the computers we are all using would simply not exist . Where companies see commercial advantage, or where governments see commercial advantage, they may sacrifice copyright fir the good of the consumer - i . e . companies putting copyrighted material into the public domain to encourage growth in a market so they can ultimately make more from it - but fundamentally all commercial products come into existence because someone can benefit financially by the process . And copyright and intellectual property are part of that process . And Open Source is not about making everything free and doing away with copyright . In the greater argument of Linux versus Windows, Open Source is used to counter Microsoft's dominant position by IBM et al . It's part of a commercial battle too . So to call intellectual property a "crime" as John does, is I believe, unsupportable, since it by implication makes any kind of ownership a crime (John says all information should be free - but how can we distinguish between information and a physical product when assessing value?) . I believe the history of the 20th century has demonstrated that human beings are not sophisticated enough as a group to make a property free society viable .	Biggles (121)
209095	2004-01-22 03:34:00	All right,Bruce,Thats enough,Keep it up all ill disable your account . As it is im thinking of locking this thread . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . HA	metla (154)
209096	2004-01-22 03:40:00	Sorry, sorry, had too much coffee today.	Biggles (121)
209097	2004-01-22 03:40:00	I have done the following as work over my life so far so can do any of them still. Spraypainting, Screenprinting, Student, Sound and Lighting technician for live entertainment of every sort, Lighting Technician for Television right up to being Director of Photography. Now and for the last 5 odd years I have concentrated on learning all about PC hardware and operating systems, PC security and telecommunications technologies and am working towards taking Telecoms "last mile" off them. Meanwhile I build specialist gaming PCs and repair any PC that needs it (which luckily for me is a vast number).	John Grieve (367)
209098	2004-01-22 03:47:00	> Sorry, sorry, had too much coffee today. hehehe LOL!!! :^O :^O I would blame it on the weather! ]:)	stu140103 (137)
209099	2004-01-22 04:27:00	Portscanner? Nmap has been mentioned... Password breaker? LC 4 from @Stake does a mighty fine job... When I last run it on a large network of around 80 PC's (I was network admin assistant at the time and did it with the NA's permission) I turned up 45% or passwords within a matter of 20 seconds! Brute strength attack took another two days (on a 533Mhz PC) and had turned up a whopping 85% of ALL the passwords, including the 2 passwords for other Network Admins... Security is so lax in many places that anybody who has 4-5 minutes at a PC could EASILY get a good 700MB of info onto a CD! USB Drives would be even faster... Who here locks their PC if they're going away for more than ten minutes? I usually do (I lock my bedroom door anyway) but its not that hard to forget. Sure, its theft, and its wrong, but you can put some of the blame back on Valve for not having tight security. ..Dont get me wrong, Im with bruce, hang the bastard, Half-Life / Counter-Strike have changed the way people play multi-player games especially, forever! And getting nothing for free? Why not? There's free ISP's... My entire household runs nothing but 100% Free software on their PC's... Free is somebody who's happy to give their time and effort for little/no reward. Do I get anything from assisting users here? I get the satisfaction of the odd email from somebody emailing me saying thanks, that makes it all worthwhile, but I get nothing else. Who says you cant get something for free? </rant> BTW - See here for LC 4: www.atstake.com Chill.	Chilling_Silently (228)
209100	2004-01-22 04:29:00	> Brute > strength attack took another two days (on a 533Mhz > PC) and had turned up a whopping 85% of ALL the > passwords, including the 2 passwords for other > Network Admins... Just for the record, that got passwords up to 8 Chars long... Mine was 16 so although it would have taken a lot longer.. it's simply a matter of time...	Chilling_Silently (228)
209101	2004-01-22 04:49:00	List of random passwords (www.winguides.com) Try using all of those generated, appended to each other, as your password. On Windows, it would depend on domain settings (such as encrypted passwords) for how long it would take to crack such a password, but it would most likely not be worth having such a password - considering you'd need to write it down on paper, verify that you wrote it down correctly, make sure the ink never gets smudged (or similar), and type in that 6400 character password - it'd most likely be a good 10 minutes (or more) before you'd actually be ready to log in :D	agent (30)
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