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| 209072 | 2004-01-21 20:08:00 | Rock on the FBI I say: FBI carries out raids in search for Half-Life 2 hackers (www.gamesindustry.biz) - GamesIndustry.biz |
Biggles (121) | ||
| 209073 | 2004-01-21 20:59:00 | I was following the after-math of the sourcecode/beta leak and it would seem that some people in the half-life 2 community knew of who was doing it in a faint sort of way, after the guy *bragged* about it... But it would seem that this guy had nothing to do with the hacking? By the way it says 'sends a clear message to the people that hacked the network' hmmm - David |
DangerousDave (697) | ||
| 209074 | 2004-01-21 21:09:00 | The FBI are a bunch of idiots who wouldn't have a clue according to this post by the target of the raid looking for the HL2 source code hacker. And why oh why is the FBI chasing stupid hackers who stole an unfinished game (they have to be stupid as they announced to the world what they did) instead of concentratiing on tracking the 10s of 1000s of terrorists hiding in the US? squeedlyspooch.com |
John Grieve (367) | ||
| 209075 | 2004-01-21 21:36:00 | > The FBI are a bunch of idiots who wouldn't have a > clue according to this post by the target of the raid > looking for the HL2 source code hacker. Hey, the guy may well be innocent. A raid is a raid. Information, valid or otherwise leads them to him and they sieze the gear to look for evidence. Tough on him if he's got nothing to do with it but I don't see how you can label them a bunch of idiots. > And why oh why is the FBI chasing stupid hackers who > stole an unfinished game (they have to be stupid as > they announced to the world what they did) instead of > concentratiing on tracking the 10s of 1000s of > terrorists hiding in the US? Well now, does 9/11 by default dictate that every FBI agent in the USA most now be looking for terrorists instead of performing other tasks that fall within their jurisdiction? It would be a sad thing if it did. The HL2 theft is a serious crime. Care to calculate how much money Valve and Vivendi may have lost as a result of it? I think it is great that such crimes have been taken seriously. I have no time at all for any hacker who does such a thing and convinces himself he's done nothing wrong. It was a theft, of phsyical code and intellectual property that has the potential to cost the victim lots of money and anyone in the IT biz should be happy that such a crime is not simply being forgotten. |
Biggles (121) | ||
| 209076 | 2004-01-21 22:00:00 | Not a bunch of idiots? They let the guy leave the scene while they were still searching. That is just plain stupid. I have had visits for searchs by police here a number of times and the last thing they would let you do is leave during the search because thats just plain stupid. And intellectual property? Its the greatest crime of all. Information should be free - all of it. Copyright is a sham used to protect big business predominantly and their extremely excessive profits from distributing info. Like it costs the CD factory nerxt door to my place $3 to print a CD and the packaging then those CDs go to market for $30. F*** intellectual property and copyright. they are a crime. |
John Grieve (367) | ||
| 209077 | 2004-01-21 22:21:00 | Sure it's illegal and I'm against it but all I can think about is how much I wish I had the skill to be able to do that... perhaps I could, if someone made a decent port scanner & password cracker ;) | Craig (448) | ||
| 209078 | 2004-01-21 22:35:00 | >Information should be free - all of it. Copyright is a sham used to protect big business predominantly and their extremely excessive profits from distributing info. Sorry John, but that's just plain wrong. If a private company invests money in developing a product they have a right to protect what is theirs. That is how our world runs. I seem to recall that other economic models didn't work out so well in the end. You don't have to be big business to have that right. According to your theory, no one has the right to any intellectual property. So if you write a book, the content should be freely distributed? And if someone breaks into your house, steals your manuscript and then distributes the content widely, what then? It's not a crime because the content should be free to all anyhow? Are you going to shrug and go "Oh well, they saved me the job of distributing my book"? I really don't see thousands of years of human history backing this up as a viable way to run society. And quite selfishly, I enjoy playing computer games. I'm not going to get to play the games I like under your model, so I hope they find the prick who hacked Valve and I hope they slam him in prison. I make no apologies for that. |
Biggles (121) | ||
| 209079 | 2004-01-21 23:22:00 | I see you are one of those people who have fallen for the free-market capitalist system. Remember years and years ago certain national politicians said to all of us that the free-market would vastly improve our lives and even more important there would be a trickle down effect. I have been waiting patiently for the trickle down to occur but it has not. What has actually occured is a flood up instead till we have the situation in the world today where 5% of the worlds population owns 50% of the worlds wealth (and therefore power as in a free market democracy money IS power).. Lets examine what the free market has given us. Falling real wages. Failing health system. Rising costs for basic consumer goods required to live (food water electricity etc). A far worse police system. A large increase in NZ'ers living below the poverty line. Falling births (as its far to expensive to have kids now). An education system that is a total mess and only caters to those rich enough to pay for it. Cheap consumer goods but only because our govt had the sense to allow parallell imports not because the free-market works, for in the free market that the rest of the world uses they ban parallell importing. Overall the free market democratic system is a big lie designed to enrich the few at the cost of the rest of us and its about time we looked for a system that is fair and equitable. |
John Grieve (367) | ||
| 209080 | 2004-01-21 23:40:00 | OK - John, there's little point in this conversation I guess. | Biggles (121) | ||
| 209081 | 2004-01-22 00:27:00 | John your one of these guys that sits back expects something for nothing, hilarious. | Ferris (1087) | ||
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