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Thread ID: 42042 2004-01-30 05:50:00 Browsers : Can opera be used as a total replacement for IE? Term_X (560) Press F1
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211259 2004-01-30 20:12:00 Why don't you see if you browser can get to this site, because Mozilla Firebird can't. I do wish some people would stop treating IE as if everyone should have and use it. If Opera can access it then good, but there are other sites like this out there as well.

http://nsm.nzherald.co.nz
Odin (227)
211260 2004-01-30 20:17:00 > Why don't you see if you browser can get to this
> site, because Mozilla Firebird can't. I do wish some
> people would stop treating IE as if everyone should
> have and use it. If Opera can access it then good,
> but there are other sites like this out there as
> well.
>
> http://nsm.nzherald.co.nz
Opera gets there straightaway, but you need password etc to go further.
TonyF (246)
211261 2004-01-30 21:16:00 I get this with firebird

BROWSER NOT SUPPORTED!

The browser you are using is not supported by this application!

Click here to download the latest version of Microsoft Internet Explorer

or contact t********************n.co.nz for further assistance


Very lame on the part of NZ Herald.
metla (154)
211262 2004-01-30 21:21:00 Just sent them an email about their site and policy,I would say the tone of it will be enough to upset them. metla (154)
211263 2004-01-30 21:37:00 > But IE6 is just as fast, on dial up at least, as any of the other browsers, I cannot understand what you are saying.

It has nothing to do with speed but with security. Internet Explorer has some serious security holes which have not been patched by Microsoft. This thread here (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz) discusses the latest issue.

By simply using IE with an add-on function like MYIE2 you still have the same security issues as already mentioned.

For safe alternative browsers, I would also go for Opera, Mozilla or Mozilla Firebird (my preference). Apart from the very few sites where alternative browsers do not work, they are fine. I agree with metla's comment about connecting the webmaster of non-IE compatible sites - they need to get their heads out of the sand. Although saying that, I doubt very much whether Microsoft will change their browser policy so that you can use non-IE for the windowupdate site no matter how many nice email requests you send :p
Jen C (20)
211264 2004-01-30 21:46:00 change the browser id to internet exploer . not to sure where it is in firebird. the site has proberly got a useless browser id script. tweak'e (174)
211265 2004-01-30 22:04:00 > Try manipulating favorites and see how far you get.
Opera bookmarks are v flexible. Please say clearly what it is that you cannot do....
TonyF (246)
211266 2004-01-30 22:44:00 I have had discussions on this before and have used Firebird, Opera and Netscape and I will say it again as I have in other ways before, they are all not fully evolved and suffer from lack of features that are easily accessable and also have bugs, at least on my machine. I know that IE does have security issues and if the other browsers came up to my expectations then I would use them without hesitation, but as it is I am stuck with a risky situation but who cares anyway I can fix my computer if anything goes wrong. zqwerty (97)
211267 2004-01-30 22:53:00 > I have had discussions on this before and have used
> Firebird, Opera and Netscape and I will say it again
> as I have in other ways before, they are all not
> fully evolved and suffer from lack of features that
> are easily accessable and also have bugs, at least on
> my machine.
This is response which does not address the question I posed. Everyone goes away with their previous opinions intact.

Cheers T
TonyF (246)
211268 2004-01-30 23:04:00 On a previous thread on this very subject I went into quite a lot of detail on this issue and I don't want to go through it again but as I remember if you right click on the Favorites dropdown window in Firebird you will find that all the favorites disappear and do not come back until you restart the browser. A really basic bug and big oversight on the designers part. Also the importing and exporting of favorites in the other browsers is definitely not as slick as with MyIE2. zqwerty (97)
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