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| Thread ID: 42273 | 2004-02-06 04:02:00 | Anyone keen to set up an anonymous proxy in a shed somewhere using wireless | aroc (3256) | Press F1 |
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| 213179 | 2004-02-06 07:17:00 | > if they are in on it, then run a super long extension > cord underground... > ...show just makes a trip over there every second day or > something to give it more juice. I can see the cost escalating here. > > Lots of high bandwidth, dodgy traffic is going to > get attention. Then woosh can: - "Follow the money". > > Maybe but if someone paid by cash each month or made > a company bank account etc then it might get > difficult. payment of the ISP fees is another > problem. Because if they start tracing it, then you > don't want them tracing it back to whoevers paying > the bill. You want fake name, fake address, unknown > money trail. So where would the bill be sent? When you dont get the bill, and don't pay it, the account is closed. If you receive an email bill, you still have to pay it - that can be traced, whatever method of payment you choose. > disguise who was connecting to it somehow. Maybe set > up 2 or 3 of the systems in different locations, so > the people log into system 1, which forwards all the > traffic to system 2, which just forwards the traffic > to system 3 and system 3 does all the work of the > members requests. It would be one hell of a nightmare > trying to track all that down. If all three systems are using the same ISP, then it'll be a piece of cake tracking it. Not to mention you're now paying for 3 connections, not just one. > If there were 2 towers I guess they could > triangulate. One tower I don't think they know which > direction you could be in. They would base it on what towers the signal ISN'T reaching, and work backwards from there. > > we all know that NZers are law abiding consumers > No we're not ;) hahaha. That is a stupid statement to make on a public forum. > > As said, we are not at the sort of level that the > US is at in terms of rampant enforcement of internet > piracy rules, etc. You don't have much to fear as of > yet. > > The rampant enforcement is coming. Internal affairs > is on the hunt for P2P users. The certain telco bill > about to be passed or already passed that lets your > isp monitor/log everything you do for the police. Agreed, but that isn't a reason to try to bypass it. Obey the law, it'll be cheaper in the long run :) > It could all be done for a couple of thousand bucks, > no huge cost. More comments... :) Plus electricity/gas for power, upkeep, internet connections, possible rent charged for use of the shed ;)... Plus any extra cost for the extra systems suggested. It wouldn't be worth the ongoing cost. If people are going to be willing to fork out for it, why not just pay for legit product to start with? What a stupid idea. And this forum probably isn't the place to be discussing it. Mike. |
Mike (15) | ||
| 213180 | 2004-02-06 07:21:00 | Sorry to interrupt your train of thought, but if there is only one signal tower in the area, they can find out what direction you are coming from. Then, it is simply a matter of going in that direction and finding your secret site. The Nazis used that tactic (unless one of my science teachers likes to tell stories), and there is no reason why APRA, RIANZ, BSA, Woosh, etc would not use that tactic. And if you ran a long distance extension cord to supply power, chances are that it would lose signal. |
agent (30) | ||
| 213181 | 2004-02-07 02:59:00 | The only way to have a completely secure, anonymous, untraceable connection to the Internet is to not connect to the Internet. It's that simple. If you set up this (very expensive) set of equipment and attract enough people to use it and pay for it it will be about a week before it stops working. You will go to see what's wrong and find a policeman waiting for you. There are places remote enough. There is no undetectacble wireless link. |
Graham L (2) | ||
| 213182 | 2004-02-07 03:18:00 | Well you could technically make it harder... Something like 1000 accounts with the ISP, and have these 1000 wireless modems spread out underground over a massive area; run aerials into bushes, trees, rocks, etc if necessary. Then, if you got the proxy to alternate between these 1000 wireless modems rapidly (three seconds if possible, but one minute would probably be more realistic), it would be harder to trace where the connections are coming from. We probably all have dreams of doing things like this, but they are unrealistic, and most people know it would be more worth their while to do something else. |
agent (30) | ||
| 213183 | 2004-02-07 03:44:00 | What about making a smallish pc with the modem, then fit it all in a box and sneak into the trainyard at night and attach it to the underside of a train carriage. Then as the train goes from Invercargill to ohai each week day for coal and meat from the freezing works. I'd imagine it could be rather difficult tracking that down. lol | PoWa (203) | ||
| 213184 | 2004-02-07 04:22:00 | > What about making a smallish pc with the modem, then > fit it all in a box and sneak into the trainyard at > night and attach it to the underside of a train > carriage. Then as the train goes from Invercargill to > ohai each week day for coal and meat from the > freezing works. I'd imagine it could be rather > difficult tracking that down. lol Why not go one step further and look for an open WiFi access point? You will be surprised how many there are around the place, and how much band width they can offer you!! |
ugh1 (4204) | ||
| 213185 | 2004-02-07 21:41:00 | I had a similar, yet completely different Idea, which i havent decided to make a separate thread yet, as it may attract the old "we don't like you and your posts because we think we are too good for you" . My idea, as a business, (NEED MONEY) was to connect to a full speed, uber download space jetstream package, and then, using WIFI, sell it out to all the neighbourhood . Ofcourse, my price would be cheaper than buying it straight from the ISP, but the start up cost maybe marginally more . . . I figured $4000 could get me going, and for reasons of law i know i should tell the ISP what im doing, maybe we could come to and agreement? Anyway, short of buying wireless dishes with 31 mile range, i thought a simple outdoor access point should do for those close to me, and then i could set repeaters up (not on council land, on friends houses) . Now i know this is highly unlikely to be profitable, but i did the math, and in one special circumstance, it is . (i forget tho :p) Now before you all trash the idea, or go use it to further your own personal careers, please tell me what you think . . . (nicely) |
Growly (6) | ||
| 213186 | 2004-02-07 21:52:00 | People have done it before, that's what I'm thinking ;) You could even host updates etc on a file server for all the users of your service. |
agent (30) | ||
| 213187 | 2004-02-07 21:56:00 | Yeah a communal one, i was thinking to save bandwidth. (I knew others have, but i need the money, and i like the blinking lights) |
Growly (6) | ||
| 213188 | 2004-02-08 01:24:00 | I think the onselling of bandwidth could be done . Local Area Mesh Networks could provide easy access to the serivice . & I was able to find any Number ( . google . co . nz/search?hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&q=Community+Mesh+Networks&btnG=Google+Search&meta=" target="_blank">www . google . co . nz) of articles ( . google . co . nz/search?q=Mesh+Networks&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=en&btnG=Google+Search&meta=" target="_blank">www . google . co . nz) in google Imagine just hanigng wireless repeaters on powerpoles, & lamp posts, Heres an article ( . theregister . co . uk/content/59/28972 . html" target="_blank">www . theregister . co . uk) from The Register . (While looking for supporting info on this I found this ( . deds . nl/~pa0hoo/helix_wifi/linkbudgetcalc/wlan_budgetcalc . html" target="_blank">huizen . deds . nl) site which managed to go over my head . its a WLAN Link planner) Lastly ( . consume . net/pipermail/consume-thenet/2004-January/008474 . html" target="_blank">lists . consume . net) A posting on Consume-thenet on how to use a WLAN :-) |
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