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213378	2004-02-08 01:52:00	If you want to kill a hard drive all you have to do is open it and allow normal unclean (particles floating ) air to get in. Further you can bend the disks and break the head arms. Run a powerful magnet over the surface should finish the job for all practical purposes. CU Rob.	zqwerty (97)
213379	2004-02-08 02:02:00	There's a good book: [i]Cryptonomicon[/b] by Neal Stephenson which has a lovely section about "them" trying to grab the emails on the hero's ISP's disks . The hero is across the road, with his laptop, busily logging in (wrireless, of course) and trying to zap the disks contents . There is a mob of "libertarians" carrying weapons (USA) , and there's a van parked beside him . Suiddenly his laptop dies . The street lights go out . All the moving cars stop . The police radios go silent . Loud cheer from the van . Hero gets off the roof of his car and looks into the van . "Is there something you guys would like to tell me?" . "Our EMP worked . It won't affect data on your computer disks, though . " "This is supposed to make me feel better?" (EMP is the "ElectroMagnetic Pulse" effect caused by nuclear explosions . . . and is why Russian military aircraft used valves in their radios) . Later it transpires that the computer room door had a coil built into the frame, so that any disk through the door would be wiped by the magnetic field . (That would need a considerable number of amp-turns to work --- and whether the power would still be on after the EMP, anyway . . . but it's a novel :D) Very good book . . . a lot about cryptography in WW2 and up to now . People are experimenting with EMP generators . . . built out of microwave oven magnetrons . I thought of this idea in about 1978 as a step up from "speed detector detectors" -- it would be amusing to sail past watching the cop wondering why smoke was coming out of his detector . :D	Graham L (2)
213380	2004-02-08 03:41:00	> People are experimenting with EMP generators ... built out of microwave oven magnetrons. I thought of this idea in about 1978 as a step up from "speed detector detectors" -- it would be amusing to sail past watching the cop wondering why smoke was coming out of his detector. Lmao! Hey Graham, do you think you could build me one? I pay you ;)	PoWa (203)
213381	2004-02-08 04:55:00	> do you think you could build me one? www.totse.com - > look in the 'Bad Ideas' section, there you shall find the information you want.	agent (30)
213382	2004-02-08 06:59:00	Wouldn't it be easier to simply buy a big axe and stoke up the fire....	taxboy4 (579)
213383	2004-02-08 22:30:00	um while the magnet thing wont work, cause it is an dc field it will work if you can get a alternating magnetic field. And the part about whistling down the phone line used to work, "steve jobs" of apple and many others used to do this on land line phones "phone phreaking" just look it up on google. o btw this doesnt work anymore cause the phones dont work like this anymore.	Budda (2736)
213384	2004-02-09 01:45:00	okay so anton pillar can be used without notice by the? bsa? for example and it allows them to walk into somones house that they "suspect" may be infringing on copywrite. mmmm am I right that they ( bsa for example ) would have to satisfy a judge first before application? surley they would need proof for the judge, so the only real way of getting proof, is to get isps to provide the proof of who is downloading mp3s through some p2p. otherwise the anton pillar order ( or whatever its called ) could be used as one big fishing expedition in general. Imagine MS using one? that could be used to give other companies ( like the riaa ) open season on anyone who uses a pc/mac/console etc. who cares about civil liberties? :)	zminos (5010)
213385	2004-02-09 02:46:00	These private-sector investigators did, unfortunately, have legal authorisation (at least according to the article cited) in the form of an "Anton Pillar order", which entitles them to search for infringing material. Try Googling it (or whatever your favourite search engine is) and you'll see the background. Yes, there was an original Mr Pillar. Such an order has been served at least once in the NZ computer industry, many years ago, allowing representatives of the "authorised" manufacturer onto the premises to seize hardware claimed to breach design copyrights. This was in the days when "real" PCs were made by IBM and everything else of similar design was dismissed as a "clone". How long ago that seems. Argus	argus (366)
213386	2004-02-09 05:11:00	> www . totse . com - > look in the 'Bad Ideas' section, > there you shall find the information you want . They are joking aren't they? Either that or conspiracy theorists are even thicker than I give them credit for . Apart from heating things edible or drinkable, or perhaps exploding a rat if you happen to be a cruelty freak, microwave ovens have virtually zero nefarious uses . As for creating EMP via a domestic microwave, that's a joke, along with the idea that a microwave coulds explode spray cans! Slow site, even slower brains . :^O EMP requires nuclear levels of energy for a biggie, and merely astronomical levels of energy for laboratory sized effects . Read the following article for a basic outline of theoretical requirments, but do read right to the very end for the credibility check! If you are into maths, you might also like to check the correlation for the power supply input and output power levels . :| Cheers Billy 8-{) :| Hi Rich! RB > I would be interested in hearing more about the High Power RB > Microwave (HPM) weapon system: how it works, power output, RB > narrow or wide beam application, range, deployment status, etc . The HPM demonstrator we built consisted of basically two sections . A so-called Marx generator, which produces a very brief, very high voltage, high current pulse, and a magnetron/antenna assembly, which converts the pulse current into an intense burst of microwave energy and then directs it towards a target . The demonstrator was housed in a trailer which had its own 15 kW Diesel generator, and they used to tow it out to the desert to test it . The testing was done at the Cibola Range of the Yuma Proving Ground near Yuma, Arizona . A commercial 100 kV DC power supply was used to charge the 20-stage Marx, where it charged its capacitors in parallel, and then via a series of spark gaps discharged them in series . With the power supply set to 27 kV, the Marx would output a 265 kV, 3500 ampere, 21 . 4-nanosecond pulse . The spark gap array was pressurized with air, and the air pressure was regulated so as to control the point at which the Marx would fire . This allowed the system to operate over a range of output power levels . One megawatt was a typical pulse-power output, and with typical 50% magnetron efficiency, a half-megawatt RF pulse could be achieved . The negative-polarity output pulse from the Marx was coupled to a rather large, cold-cathode magnetron tube equipped with a superconducting magnet . The magnet was cooled to superconducting temperatures by liquid helium, and the magnetron itself was evacuated by a small vacuum pump . A specially-designed magnet power supply (1 volt, 70 amperes) was used to energize the magnet assembly . A waveguide couples the resulting microwave energy (4 . 4 GHz) to a 10-foot diameter dish antenna, which was mounted several feet above the trailer . Precautions were necessary around the operating equipment to protect personnel . Strong magnetic field, X-radiation from the magnetron, and RF hazard from the antenna all had to be considered . A zone of "denied occupancy" was set up in front of the antenna, which was basically a 12-degree cone which extended some 800 meters out in front of the antenna . The most intense part of the beam occupied a 6-degree angle, and in the center of the beam at a range of 30 . 5 meters, 9 . 85 watts per sq cm was developed . I never went out to the test range myself, but the guys who did told me they used to set up electronic equipment downrange, and try to destroy it . Apparently it worked great! They mentioned personal computers, and LCD wristwatches, amoungst other things . If they tested it on any military electronics, I was not told specifically what type of equipment . I did hear, however, that an Army land mine was detonated at a distance of two miles . I was told by one person who had been with the company a long time, that there was a videotape floating around someplace that showed a rat inside a waveguide with a clear window on the side . The rat was then subject to ever-increasing HPM pulses, which caused him to experience (apparently) great pain, and then death . I do not know the power levels used in this experiment, and I never heard anything about this particular demonstrator being used on any humans or other biological specimens . The date of all this was 1987 to 1989 . The company had some old photos of other HPM and EMP simulation equipment, which to me looked like they could have been taken in the 1960s . In approximately 1990, the company built a two- man carried portable HPM generator . One guy carried the Marx generator (sulphur hexaflouride gas insulated), high voltage supply (50 kV) and battery pack on his back, and the other carried the magnetron tube and antenna . The two were connected together by a high voltage coaxial cable . Apparently, this device was a complete failure . It only produced a 300-watt output, probably due to not having a strong enough magnet on the magnetron . Since man-carrying a dewar full of liquid helium was out of the question, they used barium- ferrite permanent magnets . I remember them taking a photograph of it before turning it over to the government sometime in 1990 . As far as current deployment status, I really do not know . I do know that the Army was very pleased with the HPM demonstrator (trailer-mounted version), but shortly after all this, the HPM division of the company was sold to General Atomics Corporation, the four guys and all the equipment then being transferred there . Up to that point, it was obvious that the HPM/EMP research had been going on for many years, and it was very well funded . The huge screen rooms they had, and all the state-of-the-art analysis and data logging equipment was testimony to that . That Marx generator was truly a work of art! RB > Also, I have been shown by a retired air Force Colonel a photo RB > of an Electro-Magnetic Pulse weapon . Am also interested in power RB > output, target types, range, and deployment status . RB > I believe one was used near Eglin Air Force Base/Hurlburt RB > Field USAF/CIA/Special Forces headquarters near Mary Esther, Florida RB > Panhandle . What do you know about Florida and New Mexico sites RB > specifically? Earlier this year, I spoke to abductee Leah Haley on the phone . She was very gracious in her information, and sent me a color Xerox of an EMP weapon located on the beach at Eglin in Florida . Maybe you've heard her story of how the alien spacecraft she was in was shot down there on the beach by such a weapon . How she and her alien (and human) captors were taken into custody by military personnel . She sneaked back there on the beach at a later time, and photographed the device . I have a couple of . GIF images of it on my BBS at (619) 635-8685 . They are HALEY1 . GIF and HALEY2 . GIF in the misc image files area . There's also a text file, HALEY1 . TXT in the misc textfiles area, which contains her story as related on Art Bell's radio program . I would be curious as to whether or not it looks like the photo you saw of such a device .	Billy T (70)
213387	2004-02-09 05:21:00	Good call Argus As I recall, there was a business in Nelson about 7 years ago caught pirating Windows 95 (remember all the hoopla and the Rolling Stones music for the release?). They were sued by Microsoft and offending CDs seized under an Anton Pillar order. Microsoft proved their claim successfully and the CDs were destroyed and the company/individual fined. I don't think this was a Police action but if it was then it would have been a theft prosecution and a Search Warrant used.	Winston001 (3612)
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