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| Thread ID: 42293 | 2004-02-06 21:28:00 | FYI for kazaa users | Icarus (3936) | Press F1 |
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| 213358 | 2004-02-07 06:34:00 | "The group obtained what is dubbed an "Anton Pilar order" which allows copyright holders "to enter premises to search for and seize material that breaches copyright, without alerting the target through court proceedings."" The excerp from the article above shows how they can enter without needing a warrant. Borland have a similar clause in their licencing aggrement (I read that in a PC World article). The clause allows them entry into your home without having to get a warrent or even let you know they are coming, they don't even need the police. In this instance they are far more powerful than the police and yes it applies here in New Zealand as well. Tthough if they tried it I'm sure they would find their offices burnt to the ground and their cars smashed up from the outrage that would surely follow, after all I thought WWII was where we got rid of the Nazi SS squads. |
Odin (227) | ||
| 213359 | 2004-02-07 07:21:00 | Incidentally, would this movie star the idiot guy from Roadtrip? If so, could you please tell me the name of the film, I'd be slightly interested in seeing it. |
agent (30) | ||
| 213360 | 2004-02-07 07:35:00 | road trip....nope never heard of that flick *goes off searching for it* the actor DJ Qualls yep... hes in this movie and this is the movie i got the microwave idea from The Core (http://www.thecoremovie.com) |
csinclair83 (200) | ||
| 213361 | 2004-02-07 08:00:00 | Yes, I thought it might be that - I've got a short video clip of the scene where the FBI bust into his place of dwelling (linked to by someone here during one of those long-winded debates about securely erasing data, I think, around about the time of the CD drives-breaking-CDs thread). But I just couldn't see how some scene about what appears to be a hacker could be related to The Core movie... drilling to the centre of the earth?! |
agent (30) | ||
| 213362 | 2004-02-07 08:06:00 | they didnt arrest him...what they did was use him to keep the aim of the team that was going to go into the core of earth...off the internet etc...so they used his expertise for good things...and in repayment he didnt ask for his convictions to be removed, he wanted a unlimited supply of food and magazines so i thought that was stupid... then he hacked the net after the teams mission was successful and spread the good news.. so yeah...that was his part of the movie... |
csinclair83 (200) | ||
| 213363 | 2004-02-07 08:06:00 | > that in a PC World article). The clause allows them > entry into your home without having to get a warrent > or even let you know they are coming, they don't even > need the police. In this instance they are far more > powerful than the police and yes it applies here in > New Zealand as well. Uh, I don't think so! I think the only people who have the kind of authority in NZ are the SIS and the IRD... but I'm probably wrong :D Mike. |
Mike (15) | ||
| 213364 | 2004-02-07 08:10:00 | the only way anyone gonna get into my house is by me inviting them or having a warrant...i aint letting them in ne other way... | csinclair83 (200) | ||
| 213365 | 2004-02-07 08:18:00 | By agreeing to the licence terms you are in fact giving them permission, thats how they get around the need for a warrant, Immoral Yep, but only way to stop it is to not buy their products :D | Odin (227) | ||
| 213366 | 2004-02-07 09:14:00 | An Anton Pilar Order is an order of the Court in it's civil jurisdiction authorising a Plaintiff to seize property to prevent its destruction . It is not uncommon in Commonwealth countries and stems from a House of Lords decision in about 1978 which first authorised this pre-emtive strike to preserve property . Anton Pilar was one of the parties to the case . This has nothing to do with the Police, SIS, CIA, Gestapo or the Ku Klux Klan for that matter . It is where there is a civil argument between two people or companies . It is to do with people being sued . Nothing to do with crime or police . When a person or business believes another person or business is doing something wrong and is concerned that the evidence will be destroyed before any case gets to court, the claimant (Plaintiff) asks a Judge for an Anton Pilar Order which authorises seizure of documents, computers, CDs -whatever might be at risk of destruction . The Judge has to be convinced first, and if the Order is later found unjustified then the Defendant can get damages (money) awarded . Nothing remarkable about this and completely normal in this modern age when a hard disc of embarrassing evidence can be wiped with a few minutes warning . Imagine you did lots of overtime, all recorded on your employers computer which you don't have access to . Not paid out but building up nicely . Then you fall out with the boss . What overtime she says with sneer . With a court order to get the computer without warning, the evidence out of your control is made safe . |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
| 213367 | 2004-02-07 09:35:00 | A small clarification . Anton Pillar has 2 'll's . Strictly what I described is a Mareva Injunction (Mareva was the name of another case) This is the preservation order but doesn't authorise seizure . The Anton Pillar order is much rarer because it permits the entering of property and seizure . Cheers Winston001 |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
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