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Thread ID: 135291	2013-10-17 19:22:00	Windows 8.1	Paul Ramon (11806)	Press F1

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1356333	2013-10-21 04:43:00	It's interesting and 'encouraging'; I'm still hesitated whether or not to update mine now? I don't have a MS account - only a local account, how did you get round this? Would you please elaborate a little further, thanks. Some people simply use their current email address and password. You still have to sign up to MS though. Otherwise simply make up an account with MS and use it only for downloading from the store. Only fault I've found so far with 8.1, IE crashes on youtube. Iron Browser, a throw-off of Chrome works fine.	wainuitech (129)
1356334	2013-10-21 04:59:00	Downloaded and installed the update from the Windows Store yesterday. Had no issues with the process. My only gripe is that there was no option for me to not use my Microsoft account once the computer rebooted after installation. 8.1 has now replaced my previous local account with my Microsoft account credentials. Granted my profile and associated documents and applications are still intact and working I'm not a fan of using the "Cloud-based" account credentials. The irony of this is that the update in essence forces you to use your Microsoft account credentials when the setup process starts post reboot but 2 steps later you have the option of disabling the Skydrive sync feature which synchronizes your document libraries and PC settings to your Skydrive account. 8.1 has kept my username in relation to profile folder name etc. but if I run control userpasswords2 from run, I see 2 entries for my Microsoft account on the Users tabe but when I go to the Advance Tab I see only one account which is named my "old" local user account name??? I had to fiddle around with group memberships to get RDP working for my Mircosoft account despite the system saying it was a member of the local Administrators group. I have since gotten it going and things appear to be working fine, though I would probably held off upgrading until I new I could keep using my existing local account. Not a show-stopper but from a user perspective a significant change in the user experience in my opinion. Apart from that as I said it seems to be running fine. I only had to re-install VMware Workstation 9 and my Logitech driver gave me a star-tup error message because it was referencing my original Windows 8 folder, which incidentally gets renamed to Windows.old when you upgrade to 8.1. I used the disk cleanup tool to verify nothing was needed from windows.old before deleting it, which reclaimed 3.6GB of disk space. Have not had a full "play around" as yet but to the uneducated user the above probably won't matter especially if they are already using Windows 8 with their Microsoft account. Cheers,	chiefnz (545)
1356335	2013-10-21 05:02:00	So, the MS account is just for downloading from the store? But ledsep was saying in his post #29 that ' the frequent request to log in wiht a Microsoft Account' ? I maybe able to use my hotmail account just for that, and, can I remove it later on? I hate using MS account though. Will I have to reinstall /re-setup my MS Outlook?	bk T (215)
1356336	2013-10-21 05:12:00	Your Hotmail account will work perfectly. Yes you can remove the account from the pc. (You will have an account with MS since you have hotmail, connecting it to the store is simply confirming the account you already have.) Re outlook. Is the mail account a hotmail account or something different ?	wainuitech (129)
1356337	2013-10-21 05:18:00	bk T... refer to my post above yours... from my experience with an "in-place" upgrade it appears that you have to relinquish the use of the local account credentials used prior to the upgrade. Looks like MS have "reconfigured" the account to still exist but it is now somehow "hidden" by the use of the Microsoft account details. If you're like me I now cannot create a new local account because the system still "perceives" that my original local account is in existence so will not allow the creation of another account with the same name. You won't need to reconfigure or install Outlook after the 8.1 upgrade, thankfully MS have had the good sense to not kill that with setting up your Microsoft account's email in its place. I really don't want to create a new local account as I will have to re-customise my setup all over again which has taken some time over the past 6 months and I'm not keen to go down that road unless i absolutely have to. I'm going to remove the Skydrive app from my machine and see what happens. Cheers,	chiefnz (545)
1356338	2013-10-21 05:30:00	I mean my Outlook 2010 settings/ contacts, etc. At present, I have two user accounts (both local accounts); am I right to say that after updated to 8.1, all my local user account profiles will be gone? My Firefox bookmarks will be gone, too; if my local user account is gone, more or less, everything is gone, just like having a fresh new Windows setup! Or, I got it totally wrong?	bk T (215)
1356339	2013-10-21 05:42:00	You can be on a local account to sign in, you dont have to have a Windows Account . This PC here doesn't have a windows account to sign in on, it uses a local account only . One thing I found out rather early with W8 . When you setup a New Install dont have bit connected to the internet or it will insist on having a MS account to sign in . When doing the w8 to W8 . 1 I downloaded from the store ( so connected to internet) when it needed to reboot, while it was shutting down pulled out the Ethernet connection - it booted straight to the new start screen, but like the original install I chose the customize option . All data , programs etc right where I left them . The last part -- You should make a Image of the complete system BEFORE doing the upgrade to an external drive or network location, that way if something goes wrong you can put the image back and everything will be the same as before . ( doing that to a brand new Laptop tomorrow :) )	wainuitech (129)
1356340	2013-10-21 07:55:00	To sum it up: 1. I need a Microsoft Account to do the downloading of 8.1 (when I click the update to 8.1 tile in the MS Store it will request a MS account?) 2. My present local user accounts (2 accounts) will remain intact after the updating process. (as suggested, pull out the Ethernet cable when it's shutting down for restart) 3. My Outlook 2010 settings, contacts, emails will remain the same. 4. My Office 2010, CashBook Complete will remain unaffected. Additional question: Do need to disconnect the other HDD during the update? My C:\ is a 120 SSD and another 1TB HDD as storage.	bk T (215)
1356341	2013-10-21 08:13:00	Q1. Seems you dont need an account with 8.1 upgrade. I started the upgrade of a brand new laptop earlier today, didn't ask for an account name, it got to 2% of downloading then I stopped it - I'll carry on with it tomorrow after I make an image of laptop-- forgot earlier on. Q2. Should do, no reason why they wont unless something goes wrong. Removing the ethernet cable seems to force it to use local accounts, when its installing you'll get a setup screen as per original, use customize, next next etc. Q3. Should stay as is Q4 As above Additional - It "SHOULD" be OK but I would as long as its not in some sort of RAID setup or default folders moved from C to storage. Again - Personally I'd make an image of the main drive, just in case, its a lot quicker to do an image, which may take 30 or so minutes and have a backup than spend hours putting everything back or lose data "if" something goes wrong. Side Note: pays to do regular Images of your system, classic example today, I made a Image of a customers PC before wiping their drive & re-installing, (saving their data) The image is on an external drive. The drive I cloned it to, failed out of the blue :eek: - if it wasn't for the image I would have lost close to 500GB of their data. ( they have no backups)	wainuitech (129)
1356342	2013-10-21 09:09:00	wainuitech, I really appreciate your explanation. Thanks.	bk T (215)
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