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| Thread ID: 130188 | 2013-03-30 08:39:00 | 2Degrees CEO Feared Dead in Crash | The Error Guy (14052) | PC World Chat |
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| 1334655 | 2013-03-30 23:27:00 | You're probably right. I'm thinking he lost an engine, and tried to gain altitude while at the same time turning toward land, and went below VMC - minimum control speed. That speaks of the instinctive reactions of a low time inexperienced pilot. That the aircraft "disappeared" off the radar indicates he was either at low altitude or in a high rate of descent. But this is conjecture and does nothing to help those the couple left behind cope with it.from the article on stuff, it would seem he was an experienced pilot. |
plod (107) | ||
| 1334656 | 2013-03-30 23:32:00 | Even experienced pilots stuff up. | Trev (427) | ||
| 1334657 | 2013-03-30 23:36:00 | Fair enough, Plod. "reactions of a relatively inexperienced pilot" may have been a better way of putting it, but Trev is right, "even experienced pilots stuff up." |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1334658 | 2013-03-30 23:38:00 | If there's no foul play it's probably pilot error (with attribution to mechanical failure). Assuming the aircraft wasn't overloaded he should have been able to safely divert to an airfield. In addition to the very probable theories above it's also possible that when presented with engine failure he turned without first feathering the prop, if the dead engine was on the inside of the turn the added drag + the extra power from the remaining engine will very quickly throw the nose down. With only one engine and an improperly shut down engine, chances for successful recovery from the dive would be slim. |
The Error Guy (14052) | ||
| 1334659 | 2013-03-30 23:45:00 | Snip < it's also possible that when presented with engine failure he turned without first feathering the prop, if the dead engine was on the inside of the turn the added drag + the extra power from the remaining engine will very quickly throw the nose down. With only one engine and an improperly shut down engine, chances for successful recovery from the dive would be slim. > Snip The instinctive reaction (drummed in from ab initio days) in an engine failure is to gain altitude as fast as possible. I suspect he may have done just that, turning towards the coast at the same time, leaving shutting down the dead engine until later. The turn and attempt to gain altitude would have bled the airspeed off - below VMC - and with the good engine delivering thrust ... It would have resulted not only in a nose down attitude, but also a spin exacerbated by the good engine presumably still delivering power. The only way out was thousands of feet of altitude. That would explain ATC saying the aircraft just "dropped off" the radar ... the aircraft was either at a low altitude to start with, or at a higher altitude, spun in. :horrified |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1334660 | 2013-03-31 01:59:00 | My first instinct (through my few scraps of informal knowledge/"training") would be to stabilise the aircraft and maintain straight and level attitude, complete necessary engine shutdown procedure and inform tower/traffic of your situation. Only then would you assess the situation and manoeuvre the aircraft. Can't wait till it's my turn to stuff up so I can have all the forum wise cracks strip me down for my incompetent flying though, It's all well and easy to say how the situation *should* have been handled in retrospect. Through lack on knowledge or poor judgement, it all comes down to how you handle in the moment. Until the CAA release a report (which may be inconclusive) we can only speculate as to what brought the plane down. |
The Error Guy (14052) | ||
| 1334661 | 2013-03-31 02:47:00 | Critical to the whole thing is what altitude he was at when one or both engines malfunctioned. Reports say he radioed in his predicament and they had him on Radar, but I haven’t seen any mention of altitude. Has anyone seen any mention of altitude? But at the moment it’s anybody’s guess what happened. |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1334662 | 2013-03-31 05:19:00 | Has anyone seen any mention of altitude? No, the aircraft probably wasn't equipped with that technology and although ATC were probably aware of the altitude, they have made no mention of it. But we do know the aircraft "disappeared" from the radar screens. That could mean either he was at a low altitude to start with, or if cruising at a higher altitude, the aircraft made a very rapid descent, which would indicate a stall. But at the moment it’s anybody’s guess what happened. Yes. |
WalOne (4202) | ||
| 1334663 | 2013-03-31 08:14:00 | Werner Molders my hero did the same thing heading to a funeral of all things lost engine on He111 and tried to turn back. | prefect (6291) | ||
| 1334664 | 2013-03-31 08:28:00 | And another thing is which engine failed if that was the case, the port or starboard one because, if it was the port one it would cause the plane to yaw more as both engines and props spin too the left. :) |
Trev (427) | ||
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