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215779	2004-02-15 17:19:00	Why does every man and his dog keep on harping about the dangers of smoking. We know that polititians do it to justify lifting the price every five minutes. But every wowser in town seems to like to have an easy target to moan about. It may be bad for your health, I don't dispute that, but so are thousands of other things. The last time I was in Auckland I was completely sickened by the smell of petrol fumes, but I'm not running about wanting to ban cars. Likewise alcahol. Booze causes more accidents and general trouble than tobacco ever will. The wowsers lack the guts to try and get that banned. I realise some people do not like the smell of smoke , but it has always been that way. A gentleman will always ask if anyone minds him smoking before he lights up. I have been quietly wageing my own little war on behalf of smokers. My local MP now knows she won't be getting my vote next election. I will not patronise any shop, restraunt etc. that bans smoking. I will not visit anyone who won't have tobacco in their home. All futile,but vaguely satisfying. What has brought on this rave ? A couple of female visitors who made it very plain that my smoking offended them. They were very smartly told to f.... off and not come back. Guess I won't be on their xmas card list this year. I might add that I have been a 20 a day smoker for over 60 years and I enjoy it. My heart and lungs are in good condition. The only valid reason I can think of to stop smoking is the price. Jack	JJJJJ (528)
215780	2004-02-15 18:07:00	If you have the time; Grow your own tobacco. Its cheaper, (even in the long run) Might not be right there but then when you think of all the crap and **** they pile into the tobacco that you buy to keep you addicted. Eg/ Arsenic (that **** is a poison to humans) My cousins (same age as me 15-16) are growing their own tobacco cause their mum says well if they is gunna smoke they might not as welll pollute theirselves with all the poisons etc, and it saves money. my dad is smoker, has been ever since i can remember. I don't mind it, as long as when we are in a car he has a window open, he lights up and the smoke hits me i just move.	MrBeef (342)
215781	2004-02-15 19:56:00	My father-in-law past away in our house because of health poblems caused by smoking. He didn't stop though. Mind you he was 72 ;). I had no pobs with him smoking at home even though ciggy ash burnt holes in the flooring. Mum and dad smoked but dad hass stopped because of heart problems. My step son has burnt two dwellings by falling asleep after a night out. When I was in the services we had to do camp/work area/barrack clean ups etc. Guess what? Butts all over the frigging place. I agree if folk don't want to be in a smoking enviroment that should be fine and vice versa. But if the rules of the establisment-pub,club etc-prohibit it so be it. And I agree on the comment on alcohol whole heartedly btw.	mark.p (383)
215782	2004-02-15 20:03:00	>My heart and lungs are in good condition. Compared to what, Jack? The exhaust pipe of a used Japanese diesel 4x4? Smoke if you wish, but don't delude yourself that it hasn't affected your health. However long you live, unless you fall under a truck you will not enjoy the lifespan you would have if you had never smoked. Your post is outrageously OT and with the number of young people using PF1 it is utterly irresponsible. Shame on you. Billy	Billy T (70)
215783	2004-02-15 20:39:00	I to do not think this is an appropriate post to have on PF1, but for personal reasons. I have always felt Live and Let Live, but smoking effects more than just the person puffing on the stick. I have a close family member due to his smoking is lucky to survive each day, (or is this unlucky ???) the deteriation i have seen in the last year is heartwrenching, and i myself will never smoke and hope my children will never smoke either. He has difficulty just lifting a full coffee cup. His life and health is severly curtailed and any one wh thinks smoking is OK is deluding themselves, the effects will never truely be known or shown till its too late. This is not aimed at any one, and i do not intend to offend any body but the reality is smoking kills, and it is just a legalised form of drug abuse. please dont flame me and i am sorry if this does not fit in with other peoples thinking. we are all entitled to our opinions, mine is quite strong because of my life experiences of this subject. beetle	beetle (243)
215784	2004-02-15 20:59:00	> This is not aimed at any one, and i do not intend to > offend any body but the reality is smoking kills, > and it is just a legalised form of drug abuse. Interesting note there Beetle, but well said. The statistics speak for themselves. Here's a joke to lighten the moment: A blonde woman walks into a dairy to buy some smokes. She asks the dairy owner for her fav type, and the owner pulls down the one on the front of the shelf. He gives it to the blonde lady, and moments later she starts screaming at the owner: Why did you give me these cigarretes, what are you trying to do? Kill me! Give me the ones that say "Smoking can harm your baby", Im not pregnant stupid! This may take a while for some to click.. ;-) Dont be offended, its just a joke to lighten the mood :-) Chill.	Chilling_Silently (228)
215785	2004-02-15 20:59:00	> > My heart and lungs are in good condition . > > Compared to what, Jack? The exhaust pipe of a used > Japanese diesel 4x4? He may have been examined by a medical pactiter you know . > Smoke if you wish, but don't delude yourself that it > hasn't affected your health . How can you make such a comment . You don't know the person . > However long you live, > unless you fall under a truck you will not enjoy the > lifespan you would have if you had never smoked . Now THAT WAS UNCALLED FOR!!!! > Your post is outrageously OT and with the number of > young people using PF1 it is utterly irresponsible . Young folk are more intellegent than you give them credit for . Have you read the post title? Why is it irrresponsible? The persons just letting of stem . > Shame on you . > > Billy > Hmmmmm . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .	mark.p (383)
215786	2004-02-15 21:56:00	Yes BillyT I know it was outrageous and way OT. But as for young people, well let them make up their own minds. There's too much of people having their minds made up for them. I'm certainly not advocating that people should smoke. It's a matter of choice,regardless of age. What I am bitching about are sanctimonious wowsers telling the world they must not smoke. You know them, the ones who won't smoke, but get drunk regularly and then drive home. Anyway if anyone ever works out how much a packet of cigarettes a day costs over sixty years they won't start. Jack	JJJJJ (528)
215787	2004-02-15 22:03:00	In reply to Beetle. Of course smoking kills. But if you don't smoke aren't you going to die? Everyone dies of something. I'rd sooner die at,say eighty while reasonably mobile, than live to 90 or 100 and be a nuisance to my family and everyone else. Jack	JJJJJ (528)
215788	2004-02-15 23:27:00	I'm with Beetle on this . Everybody has a choice, but when someone smokes around a non-smoker, then the smoker deprives the non-smoker of the full range of their choices . Anyone who says that smoking has NO ill-effects on human health is patently living in a fantasy . In the same way that any substance taken out of moderation is potentially dangerous, increasing the level of toxins in the air you breathe is dangerous . If someone wants to smoke, that is their choice . But to stamp their feet and demand their right to smoke is as restricting of non-smokers as non-smokers demanding that smokers restrain their habits . Utilitarian theory would favour the greatest benefit for the greatest number, and given the documented ill-effects on human health of smoking, it is simply logical that smokers give way to non-smokers . Smoking is a choice, not a requirement . Smoke if you want to, but respect that not everyone smokes, and therefore keep it to yourself . Lizard	Lizard (2409)
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