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217186 2004-02-21 10:53:00 A while ago I tried to get jetstream, bought all the gear etc but couldn't maintain a connection, back to 56k.

Telecom said when they put the line underground in my street years ago they saved themselves som $$ & used a low grage of copper line which will not sustain jetstream, I'm also in between 2 exchanges & on the limit about 4k from each.

Sometimes though my download speed goes crazy.
At the moment I'm downloading 100 quicktime movies with flashget 3 at a time at speeds of between 12 & 20KB/s
On other occasions I have reached speeds of 75KB/s on a 56k modem
Once I maintained a download for an hour at 24KB/s

Anyone shed some light as to why this is & if I can get speeds like this on the line why can't I get jetstart?
I know some servers are faster than others but my line must be able to handle it or I would never get theses speeds.


TIA
45South (4769)
217187 2004-02-21 12:17:00 Because it's wrong.

The speeds that are being reported are calculated by the software you are downloading with, which is probably incorrectly summing data, averaging things wrong, or calculating on a burst.

You have a 56kbps modem, it can't do any faster than that, end of story.

ADSL technology uses a completely different signal frequency to dial-up which use analogue voice-like noise. It's rather complicated but if they say you can't, then you can't - no matter how great your 56k may appear to be (above corrections notwithstanding) your line can still be completely incapable of ADSL.
whiskeytangofoxtrot (438)
217188 2004-02-21 12:26:00 I know a person that has 56k and he was having problems so the ISP told him to put a string into the configuration to make the modem louder or something and he connects at 112k.

I've even transferred files to him over msn and it goes at 13k/sec easy. This si on 56k! So whats the deal there?
PoWa (203)
217189 2004-02-21 13:04:00 There is no deal, it's not possible.

Windows can report 115200 as a connection speed but a 56K modem can not do it, no way, no how.

The most likely scenario is that the file you are transferring goes to a temporary server location and is then dowloaded from there by his MSN client.

Your machine might put it up at 13k/s but it is just not possible for a 56k modem to pull down at that speed.
whiskeytangofoxtrot (438)
217190 2004-02-21 13:24:00 Yes, quite often downloads appear to start off quite fast, and then drop down to the stock-standard 4-5KB/s of a 56Kbps dialup modem.

In reality, this is usually caused because data is being received as soon as (with some limitations) you click on a link or start a download. This means that often while you are busy finding a directory to place your download in and a suitable filename, it is downloading, but the estimate of the download speed only starts when you finalise the download location, creating a falsely high speed which eventually evens out.
agent (30)
217191 2004-02-21 21:18:00 > I know a person that has 56k and he was having problems so the ISP told him to put a string into the configuration to make >the modem louder or something and he connects at 112k.

I noticed that my friends modem is really loud when he connects to the net, and he gets 53.2kbs every time he connects, and his download speeds are 5-7kbs, Hes on Clearnet.

and I notice how quiet my modem is when It goes on the net and how slow It is when downloading. Would My dl speed go faster if My modem is louder? He also Connects faster than the net than me(I have a few seconds lag after the dialing noises end before I connect to the net, but for him; as soon as the dialing noises stop, hes on the net).
James Busby (341)
217192 2004-02-21 21:24:00 Is this not just a modem speaker volume adjustment in modem properties? makes no difference to connection just allows you to hear the modem hand shaking with server. I have my modem speaker turned off so when i connect i hear nothing at all miknz (3731)
217193 2004-02-21 21:42:00 Because it's wrong.
The speeds that are being reported are calculated by the software you are downloading with, which is probably incorrectly summing data, averaging things wrong, or calculating on a burst.
You have a 56kbps modem, it can't do any faster than that, end of story.

That may well be the case, but a 450KB file on my desktop ready to use in in 25secs isn't.
That's 18KB/s & thats off my watch, not the software.
I downloaded 100 files & they averaged approx 15KB/s each some as high as 20KB/s
45South (4769)
217194 2004-02-21 21:51:00 There are more things in heaven and earth........

The bumble bee is supposed not to be able to fly "theoretically" but it does. Ergo the "theory" is wrong.

Some funny things do happen with 56k modems under certain unkown conditions.

I had a similar short spell of fast downloads with a US Robotics internal ISA modem some years ago, also timed downloads with a watch. These were zip binary files from Simtel, so no red herrings about compression etc.

Now as a scientist I believe in nothing, belief is a dirty word in my book. Proof by repeatable measurement is the "truth".
Terry Porritt (14)
217195 2004-02-21 22:35:00 OOI what isp? Megaman (344)
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