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Thread ID: 130448	2013-04-11 02:41:00	World PC sales plunge as Windows 8 flops	Trev (427)	PC World Chat

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1336397	2013-04-11 06:56:00	It's like rock n roll, it's uncool for awhile until a band comes along and wipes the floor with everybody. Same will be for the PC.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1336398	2013-04-11 09:34:00	I still prefer to sitt at my desk with a desktop and 2 monitors and if it breaks to insert one new piece rather than the hassle of setting up a whole new machine	gary67 (56)
1336399	2013-04-11 09:44:00	Can't tolerate the small screen of laptops.	bk T (215)
1336400	2013-04-11 10:39:00	Same here or anything else. :)	Trev (427)
1336401	2013-04-11 10:41:00	I'm also of the opinion the declining pc market is more a combination of less need to replace old PCs so often and the many portable alternatives. I don't think windows 8 is an improvement over windows 7 in terms of the GUI but I don't think it's so bad people won't adapt and learn to use it, it's certainly no millennium or even Vista. Well I mostly agree with the desktop supporters Laptop screen size is not much of an argument. When you're at home you can always hook a laptop up to a regular keyboard/ mouse/ screen and use it just like a desktop. Then when you go somewhere you can pick it up and take it with you. The real arguments against laptops from my point of view are; 1. They cost more than similarly specced desktops 2. They are not very user upgradeable or user serviceable 3. They don't last as long as a desktop (mainly going by my opinion on this one) 4. If one key part fails it can make the whole laptop not worth repairing 5. They are more limited in storage space and add in cards options 6. They don't perform as well as high end desktops (so not the best choice for gaming)	dugimodo (138)
1336402	2013-04-11 10:57:00	Laptops are ruined by one thing. OEMs, they literally RUIN laptops. Poorly built and poorly specced the laptop never emerged from its niche price range since conception. Previously a laptop was a desktop shrunk down, this cost more, it was a high end piece of hardware engineering. Now laptops are pretty much smartphones scaled up. The size is not an issue, heck it's the norm now. But laptops are still priced as if they were a significant piece of engineering. If you compare most decent spec/builds of laptops they actually compare with a Macbook, if not more expensive. Take the Asus Zenbook, lovely piece of hardware, but costs over $2000 (at least it did when it was "new") OEMs are STILL to this day churning out crappy plastic lumps with awful usability and terrible build quality. We are inundated with crap which in turn pushes the price range around because if crappy laptop x is worth $800 then nice laptop y can't be only a few $100 more expensive - push it up to $2k! Apple got it right with their laptops, the rest of the world has followed with their smartphone now can they please hurry up and do something about their laptops?	The Error Guy (14052)
1336403	2013-04-11 10:58:00	I still prefer to sitt at my desk with a desktop and 2 monitors and if it breaks to insert one new piece rather than the hassle of setting up a whole new machine Same while at home, but while out and about portability is key, but I also need some raw power so a small laptop/Surface Pro-type device is ideal.	pcuser42 (130)
1336404	2013-04-11 11:58:00	It would seem anything with a detachable keyboard was not counted as part of the survey, so that counts out any hybrids. It also counts shipped units, not sold. So the figure could be higher	plod (107)
1336405	2013-04-11 19:13:00	Some very good summaries here. And as I guy who was around with Dos and CPM I agree with most of them. That journalist's article was really unfair to Windows 8. Its the decline of new PC sales (and laptops) that has caused the drop in sales. I have never used Windows 8. But I do know that Microsoft have large user experience testing programs. And I think they were right to bring out an OS to work on tablets and mobiles as that is where the market is going. If they had not done it they would have been lambasted. Its not only high end gaming and video editing that needs desktop power. What about every small and medium sized business. And what abut large networks. And what about all of those currency dealer rooms with 3 screens on each desk. And yes I do think that there is not so much to be gained by buying a new pc so often, they have enough power to do what most people need I means years ago it was a 396 to a 486 to a Pentium What is it now?	Digby (677)
1336406	2013-04-12 01:54:00	Me thinks PC techs are a twilight industry - at least as far as home computing is concerned. In our small community we set up a seniors group about 6 years ago - and about 100 joined. A lot of them had old PCs that their family had given them - the PC techs had a ball. Now at least 60% of those 100 have iPads and never use their computers. This trend is only going to continue.	stuffed (1469)
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