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226698	2004-04-02 20:51:00	Well, at least this hasn't got nasty yet. Heres some points that may be considered vaguely relevant. - Everyone is ultimately entitled to their own view. - Ever since Winnt 3.51, I've been pretty happy with how solid it is. I know it's not perfect, but neither is Unix, and Unix is way harder to maintain (well it was in the old days when I was using SCO Sys V). - The way some "engineers" install some things makes me wonder how they manage to get out of bed in the mornings. The best OS in the world installed badly will be shite. The worst installed well might actually be fine. - Someone once said "You can't please all the people, all the time" (they obviously didn't know about Shortland Street when they said that). - Sure, Millennium was ugly, but so was the Concerto and the Edsel. - Microsoft don't write the viruses (at least, I don't think they do). - They don't even write the anti-virus stuff. - No other operating system has the market share that makes hacking and viruses so attractive. - Microsoft tries to protect the reliability of their OS with security and big brother stuff that prevents us opening email attachments, and we don't like that. - They can't stop users from installing shite software or too much software and turning a stable platform into an unstable one, and if they did, many of us would be pretty peeved. - The dodgy software and idiot users out there do way more damage to their systems than Windows ever did. - We are all free to stick with Office 97 and NT 4.0 or Win98 and never buy anything else, if we want to. We can also choose to use something completely different. Frankly, I've had pretty good value for money out of Office 97. - If you feel better by ranting, go for it. - If you don't agree with a rant, say so. - If you do either in a reasoned, clever, humorous, well thought-out way, all the better. - New, exotic insults involving vegetables and small furry animals don't really count. - Let's just not attack each other about it (this thread seems pretty okay so far). We aren't in Ireland or the Middle East. I mean, the soccer season starts today, why would we be anything but happy? robo.	robo (205)
226699	2004-04-02 21:00:00	If you guys hate microsoft so much, why dont you switch to linux, or mac? (As you can see i allready have.) But i still have windows to play bf:v and bf1942. My 0.00000001 cents (and if you round that down, it is free, :-P just like this forum)	ilikelinux (1418)
226700	2004-04-02 21:35:00	Well, believe it or not, even with distributions like Ark Linux and Fedora, Linux still has quite a way to come before your average MS Windows user will be up to scratch to run it with the same competency as they currently run Windows. Even given nice GUIs and helpful installation front-ends, Linux is not quite up there with Windows in terms of ease of use. The fact remains that 95% of people are pretty much trained to use Windows, simply because Windows had a lot of appeal back in the days (and frankly, it still does). If you were really altruistic, you wouldn't just tell people to use Linux, you would teach them how to use Linux. :D	agent (30)
226701	2004-04-02 22:00:00	Re M/soft when there is a better (simpler) system then I'm sure the masses will use it, my main gripe is why does M/Soft NEED so much of my personal info after I have purchased something, and when using their product keep getting pop-ups requesting that I report to them? But apart from that isn't it a great thing to be free to rant in public should one so desire, and then all remain freinds afterwards? Perhaps a read of Stupid White Men by Michael Moore would open many eyes to the power of the rich in the good old USA.	Pibs (1560)
226702	2004-04-02 23:04:00	> If you were really altruistic, you wouldn't just tell > people to use Linux, you would teach them how to use > Linux . I'm glad you mentioned altruism agent, because a lot of people here may not know what it means, or how the leader of the MS Empire practises it . For all the complaints about his company or its products, he nevetheless donates billions of dollars to worthy causes . Darth Vader he is not! I am perfectly happy with MS products, have been for 10 years and don't see any reason to change . They are tools, I use them, they work for me and I earn good money using them . I have a life and could care less about the stream of complaints . So they have flaws! If it wasn't for the warped minds and personalities that spend their personal years of darkness seeking them out and trying to to exploit them to the disadvantage and detriment of others, none of us would care very much or even be aware of them . Computer programs require service about as often as my car, my teeth, my kids or my house and household appliances . So what, seriously faulty products kill people every day, but I'm not sure how many people Windows has killed, except perhaps for any sad individuals who may have popped their clogs in the middle of preparing yet another hysterical or vitriolic post to some computer forum or other . Computers and their programming are not perfect, but then neither am I, and no creation of man (or man and woman :D) is or ever will be perfect . And nobody come at me with arguments about divine creation either, because those arguments and DC's purported products are about as flawed as you can get . Perpetual complaining is pointless, action is the only proper response, and if people choose inaction by remaining with MS products because there is nothing better to change to, then hey, isn't that the end of the debate? Move on to an alternative or stick with MS . Choose one or the other, but enough already of the perpetual carping and criticism . Cheers Billy 8-{) :D Nothing like a Saturday morning rant to clear the head after Friday night's dinner party with the rellies . :)	Billy T (70)
226703	2004-04-02 23:20:00	I have been using (and making a living from using) computers since 1981 In that time I have used several non MS OS's . None were bug free . As far as Windows goes, its been entirely satisfactory for me . I wholeheatedly agree with Robo, that those unhappy with the performance of Windows and other MS products are likely the cause by unwise use of dodgy programs, loading to much junk etc . If you need a reliable system to earn a living from, you run a well maintained non abused system and the reliability is very good . If you treated your car like many treat their computers, every make of car would be unreliable as well . I repeat the view above, that if you feel that strongly about MS, simply do not use their product . I personally do not like asparagus, but I do not feel compelled to start a rant thread about how bad it is . . .	godfather (25)
226704	2004-04-03 02:05:00	Billy! Darth Vader was just misunderstood, deep down he wasn't a bad guy. robo.	robo (205)
226705	2004-04-03 02:07:00	We should probably bear in mind what XP costs with a new machine (practically nothing) and what it does for us. As far as I am concerned, I get good value for money out of it. Doesn't mean I will pay for upgrades or anything silly like that. But I can if I want. It's like being protestant versus catholic (don't go there, I can't believe I said that). robo.	robo (205)
226706	2004-04-03 02:36:00	> But I can if I want. It's like being > protestant versus catholic (don't go there, I can't > believe I said that). > robo. Ah! But you did. What about all the other denominations and non denominations you have excluded, eh? My main reasons for giving MS the heave (or trying to) are more based on ideology than anything else which, probably aren't the best reasons to base business decisions around. Other justifications can be given a higher profile to give it all plausibility, in my own mind at least. Being an recidivist fiddler, change gives hours and hours of pleasure and lots of opportunity of hours more pleasure for more knowledgeable types to pick up the pieces ;) As you alude to robo, whatever spins your wheels will probably be best for you. Ford vs Holden may be a more discrete example though or how about Man U vs the Arse, does that one stay in safe territory? Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
226707	2004-04-03 03:17:00	The fundamental reason for not "discussing" the merits of Microsoft here is that this isn't meant for religious arguments . It's a help forum for pople who have problems with using computers . It has its social community side too, but "discussions" of MS vs Linux and similar emotive fact-free discussions always lead to tantrums, hurt feelings, personal abuse, and general unpleasantness . It becomes just like Parliament . If you want to argue at length about what operating system is "best" go to the newsgroups . There are newsgroups set up just for this . They often have "advocacy" in the name .	Graham L (2)
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