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Thread ID: 43962 2004-04-02 09:50:00 Explanation and one big question. hamstar (4) Press F1
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226688 2004-04-02 11:56:00 I think some of you are missing the point. You attack hamstar for making a point, an opinion yes but by the tone of you r responses you agree with at least some of what he/she says. You say he/she os whinging but, your own tone in saying this is just a reflection. you bemoan posts that get locked, well stay off the personal then for pity's sake.

Not everybody can sit back and view the world and let things ride. make allownences for different styles. If vanilla is what you like don't be afraid to ask for it at the counter but, don't critisise someone who questions why vanilla melts so easy and hokey pokey is not as easy to come by.

A small point. Lets say for arguements sake that hamstar (I'm sure its not true) does not have a clue how to set up let alone use alternatives to MS products. Telling him/her to go away and get over it is not very helpfull.

Debate is healthy. Abuse is not. Knowledge and enquiry is great, apathy and ingnorence is not.

Cheers Murray P

PS. Any of you voted for other than the 2 main political parties? Well.......
Murray P (44)
226689 2004-04-02 11:59:00 ......is the world a better place yet? metla (154)
226690 2004-04-02 12:05:00 Yep! Just happened ;)

Cheers Murray ;P
Murray P (44)
226691 2004-04-02 12:12:00 Hamstar. I just spotted your other work for tonight []) that's naughty.

Cheers Murray P
Murray P (44)
226692 2004-04-02 12:21:00 > Debate is healthy.

yeath, but it is not healthy when you Debate it over & over & over again & again.....
stu140103 (137)
226693 2004-04-02 13:02:00 Don't join the debate then.

Cheers Murray P
Murray P (44)
226694 2004-04-02 14:02:00 > Look .
>
> I don't want to turn this thread into another
> argument but I just want to know: Why will no-one
> converse about microsoft!?

There's a difference between talking openly about them and doing what you do in the other threads .

> Best gaming console? Pchssshh!

You obviously have no idea what you can do with an X-Box, but then again, ignorance is bliss, eh?

> What more could I want? My computer not to crash!
> Ever!

How about world peace while you're at it? Nice notion . . .

> There is not one good thing they have done for
> computers .
> They are devious .
> They are monopolistic .
> They do not innovate .
> They are not consumer minded .
> Their software is full of holes .
> None of their software is actually made by them .
> They have used the same old unstable code for all of
> their programs/os's since day one .
> XP is the most unreliable OS ever made because if all
> the bells and whistles they put on it .
> Word is counter-productive .

And yet people still buy their products . . . I guess I am yet to reach enlightenment, eh?

If you want to discuss morality issues, etc - there are worse companies out there than Microsoft .

Monsanto springs to mind, as does Shell in Nigeria . And yet funnily enough, we still buy petrol from Shell . . .

Lo .
Lohsing (219)
226695 2004-04-02 14:48:00 > What are they a sponsor here?

Some of them are on the payrolls ;)
*hides*

People often moan about stuff like this because they lack the debating skills to even have a decent discussion. So they simply say 'lock the thread! lock it!', rather than making an effort to discuss the issues. Rather lame.

It would be good to debate it and if people could remain mature about it, I would find it rather interesting and entertaining.
PoWa (203)
226696 2004-04-02 20:24:00 I know a lot of people,like myself,who use windows simply because thats whats
installed on the computer when bought,therefore we get familiar with what we are using.Its only after getting a little proficient on our computers and start looking around, do we find out that there are other alternatives to be had.
I feel that Bill Gates did for the computer, what Henry Ford did for the motor car,
and that is, put it in reach of everybody.
Also, if it wasn't for MicroSoft, we probably wouldn't need forums such as PF1 etc.
where we can moan and groan about our computer problems and ask for help and give advice to others.
Thats my 2 cents worth.

DD.
dumdum (4965)
226697 2004-04-02 20:50:00 [Opinion start]

Think of it from a different perspective .

Microsoft are actually releasing service and security patches when they find out a fault . What about the security patches and updates etc . for Linux? Do people moan about installing them? Security holes in Apple - what if they simply haven't been discovered?

If it wasn't for Microsoft, most of us wouldn't have computers in our home or workplace . As a result, people wouldn't have the physical PCs to install Linux either . Microsoft's target is the average user, who in general isn't too concerned about 100% uptime, 100% stealthed security features . People who need such a system will use Unix or Linux based machine for that .

I have used Windows (3 . 11 thru XP) and have found Windows XP to have been very stable out of all Windows versions, following closely behind Win2k . I have used Apple computers before, and it's interface is just as fancy with the "bells and whistles" . I have also seen a very new (and expensive) iMac crash several times, have ridiculously slow response times to simple tasks like opening a program . Linux: I have tried that too . Although I found it quite good, it's ease of use is nowhere near the level which Windows is at . Microsoft has provided a very easy to use OS, and software to use with it . That's what we pay them money for - an easy to use operating system and software .

Wordperfect and Microsoft Office have been at the forefront of Word Processing and office application software . Microsoft makes Office for Macs, and all the free/open source Office Suite clones aer based on Microsoft Office - Openoffice . org simply copies some of MS Office's features, while missing out on the newest ones put out by microsoft .

In my opinion, Microsoft has done the computing world a very great deed by making good quality, easy to use software, available at reasonable cost . It is the money they make from software sales which goes into research and development to make future versions of software even better and secure . Although we all get frustrated with computer crashes, system updates etc . , it's just a small price to pay for an easy to use, beginner-proof operating system .
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somebody (208)
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