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1359161	2013-12-05 20:11:00	Most here are tech Savvy & dont comprehend this issues Win8 causes to PC novices. Do I have to bring up my mother again? :p	pcuser42 (130)
1359162	2013-12-05 21:02:00	... If it needs someone tech savvy to set the thing up for a home user, then there is an issue with what is supposed to be an easy to use OS. ... Well said.	bk T (215)
1359163	2013-12-05 21:08:00	Most here are tech Savvy & dont comprehend this issues Win8 causes to PC novices. If it needs someone tech savvy to set the thing up for a home user, then there is an issue with what is supposed to be an easy to use OS. Thats laughable, and actually the complete oppersite, W8 will actually set up a lot of stuff in the background for "home Users", where as XP you had to do things manually. Saying email is different LOL you still had to create accounts etc in XP and W7. Many here that are Tech Savvy as its put deal with the general public all the time, so unless the Tech Savvy are really snobs and are to arragant to help then they will know what problems others are having. Going by the wording you are saying W8 is the problem and previous versions of windows were fine, Again BullSh1t. How many people over the years CANT ( and still cant) set up XP or Windows 7 ?? I'm just out to a job right now, persons son "who knows all about computers" :rolleyes: put in XP last night, put in the drivers ( so they said), but they are having a lot of problems cant set it up as they dont know how. God knows what they have done - Will be interesting ;)	wainuitech (129)
1359164	2013-12-05 21:26:00	Thats laughable. Many here that are Tech Savvy as its put deal with the general public all the time, so unless the Tech Savvy are really snobs and are to arragant to help then they will know what problems others are having. Going by the wording you are saying W8 is the problem and previous versions of windows were fine, Again BullSh1t. How many people over the years CANT ( and still cant) set up XP or Windows 7 ?? I'm just out to a job right now, persons son "who knows all about computers" :rolleyes: put in XP, put in the drivers, but they are having a lot of problems cant set it up as they dont know how. God knows what they have done - Will be interesting ;) Arnt you missing the point. PC's came preload with Win7, XP . The OS is allmost ready to go, out of the box, drivers preloaded. Win8 , users ended up with some MS email login they didnt want or need, scitzo system with tiles & desktop, rubbish tiles all over the screen after install some program or printer Win8 : jumps back and forth between Tiles & Desktop, open a program via a tile & it jumps into the desktop Win8: Joe av still wants start menu, the real start button. etc etc etc And no, Win8 causes more confusion than XP or 7. Even users who could setup XP pop3 email themslves got confused by Win8 & PAID to have pop3 setup & Win8 sorted. If Win8 wasnt an issue, why is Win8 reputation now dirt, about the same level as Vistas rep. Customers tell me they dont want 8 on their new PC/laptop	1101 (13337)
1359165	2013-12-05 21:28:00	Customers tell me they dont want 8 on their new PC/laptop And yet wainuitech's customers try it and wonder what the fuss is about. ;)	pcuser42 (130)
1359166	2013-12-05 22:04:00	And yet wainuitech's customers try it and wonder what the fuss is about. ;) That's because wainuitech 'customised' it for them. It's not just out of the box. :)	bk T (215)
1359167	2013-12-05 22:23:00	Trouble is really once something gets a bad rep it never loses it, people still refer to Vista as if it's the same buggy unstable mess it was on release whereas in fact the issues were resolved with updates and although it is a little more resource hungry than windows 8 if you run Vista now it's very stable and similar to 7 to use. Vista is actually pretty good and not in the same league as Windows Me which never really got sorted out. Likewise the issues with 8 (and is debateable if they really were issues) have largely been resolved but the damage to it's reputation is done and people are unwilling to look past that and even give it a try. It does have some annoying behaviours in default setup to my mind, but once set up how you like it is fine. I personally don't think it's particularly better or worse than 7, just different. I'm a convert also, bought it because of the cheap introductory offer and hated it to start with. It took me a few weeks and a bit of time on google to get used to it and tweak it how I like but I rather like it now and wouldn't go back. A friend was watching me use my PC the other day, windows 8.1 with no start menu. It wasn't until I pushed the start button and the start screen launched that he caught on to the fact it was windows 8, he was surprised because he'd assumed it was 7 and didn't notice any difference for the several minutes he'd been sitting there. If you think of the start screen as a replacement for a desktop full of shortcuts and the "all apps" screen as a graphical icon based replacement for the start menu then it's hard to see what the big deal is	dugimodo (138)
1359168	2013-12-05 22:42:00	Likewise the issues with 8 (and is debateable if they really were issues) have largely been resolved but the damage to it's reputation is done and people are unwilling to look past that and even give it a try. Well there must have been a fair bit wrong with Win 8 because I had to download a Gig of service packs and fixes which had to be installed before 3 Gig’s of Win 8.1. Not my idea of a well thought out and engineered operating system I’m afraid. :D	B.M. (505)
1359169	2013-12-05 22:43:00	I think the major problem with the W8 start screen was that it originally seemed totally disconnected from the desktop. With 8.1 and the inclusion of allowing your desktop background to be the background of the start screen it has gotten a lot better, looks more like it's just over the top of your desktop as opposed to your desktop, it's a lot less imposing. Now if only you could see your apps you have open and windows in the the background like a true overlay. Well there must have been a fair bit wrong with Win 8 because I had to download a Gig of service packs and fixes which had to be installed before 3 Gig’s of Win 8.1. Not my idea of a well thought out and engineered operating system I’m afraid. :D Forgetting that as time goes on the average size of files will be getting larger as information stored on computers becomes more complex. It should be expected that the size of the updates for Windows 8 would be larger than previous operating systems (assuming they suffer from similar issues at launch).	icow (15313)
1359170	2013-12-05 22:49:00	The biggest problem as I see it is that Win8 is not intuitive. For the average user, installation of the OS doesn't count, they generally buy their machines with the OS pre-installed. It's usage that counts, and this is where Win8, especially on a desktop, falls over. eg. Win95 - Win7 You boot your PC, launch a program from the Start Menu or Desktop. By default the taskbar is always visible, you can see what programs are running, you have easy, direct, intuitive access to any currently running programs, or to launch a new one. You can easily close a program by hitting the X in the top right corner of it's window. Win8 You boot your PC. By default you boot into the Metro interface, where you can start a program. If you start a Metro app, you have no intuitive way to close the app (yes, you can drag from the very top of the screen to the very bottom - but that is not intuitive, and you're not going to do so with a random "what does this button do"). If you start a program, you get shunted to the Desktop, and your program starts. Now, how does one get back to the Metro Start Screen? You move your mouse to the top or bottom right corners to reveal the Charms, and then click the centre Start Charm (remember, most users are not keyboard driven) - again, totally unintuitive with no on-screen indication that this is what you need to do, although now rectified on the Desktop in Win8.1 with the new Start Button. Sure these actions can be learned, but most users need to be told how, they are not going to find them on their own. There is also a complete disconnect between using the Metro interface, and the desktop. The primary example that I use to prove this is one that keyboard and mouse users will not realise. We have a touchscreen set up in the kitchen, connected to a hidden-away netbook running Win8. There is no possibility to use a keyboard (for two reasons, the netbook is hidden away and it also has a completely borked keyboard that has needed to be unplugged - don't buy an HP netbook), so everything happens via the touch interface. Now, try to accomplish a right-click. In previous versions of Windows back to XP, a touchscreen right-click is accomplished via a long-hold. In Win8, it's either a finger-flick down or a long-hold, dependant on the mode you're in - Metro mode and apps require a finger-flick, Desktop mode and programs require a long-hold. Neither is compatible with the other. Granted, most users will not see this. But trying to teach any non-tech family member that you cannot finger-flick in this program when it works in another requires a degree in patience that I will probably never acquire. So in my opinion Windows 8 has easily supplanted Vista as "Worst Windows OS Ever", and I imagine that once Ballmer is gone, we'll soon see either "Windows 9" or "Windows 8.11 for Desktops" (or maybe Workgroups ;) )	Antmannz (6583)
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