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| 1359151 | 2013-12-05 08:41:00 | I upgraded a guys XP to W8.1 only last week, told I'd give him some instructions on how to use it because he was crapping himself thinking W8 was way beyond him I don't think the problem is that Windows 8 is 'hard to use' or that learning a different interface is a problem, the problem (or at least, my problem) is that the Windows 8 Metro interface and associated programs that use it are moronic for use on a desktop PC (or anywhere, really). www.zdnet.com describes this increasing problem well... "I hope that by the time my current computer draws its last Watt that someone will have come up with something usable, efficient and not crappy. I don't like the dumbed-down garbage that they're tossing my way. If you're trying to appeal to a wider audience, don't. If people are too dumb to use a computer, then so be it. Don't waste everyone's time on something that looks like it should be teaching babies to speak and spell. " |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1359152 | 2013-12-05 09:09:00 | Interesting Article Agent :thumbs: That guy doesn't like anything :) The Metro / titles in W8 / 8.1, Microsoft have made no secret to what they are trying to do -- Have the same interface on all their devices that run windows, Tablets, Desktops, Laptops, Phones - that way doesn't matter what a person is using its all exactly the same. On a side note: Wait for ittttttttttttttttttttt :D Apple MAC users (www.apple.com) Dont click on the Launchpad tab on that page, or scroll down to Multi‑Touch gestures -- May or may not like what you see. Looking more and more like iPad functions / Actions on a desktop. On saying that, at least the icons look better. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1359153 | 2013-12-05 09:34:00 | The Metro / titles in W8 / 8.1, Microsoft have made no secret to what they are trying to do -- Have the same interface on all their devices that run windows, Tablets, Desktops, Laptops, Phones - that way doesn't matter what a person is using its all exactly the same. Well, it's my belief that different types of computing devices have different uses and usage patterns and this benefits from different styles of interface that suit the tasks and also the input devices... A touch-screen style interface is not much use to a programmer or engineer on a workstation, while a command-line interface is useless to a teenager tweeting on a tablet. Metro and Unity and such try to converge everything - it's an interesting concept, sure, and I suppose understandable from a profit-making\marketing\latest gimmick point of view - but I think it ultimately ends up down the "Jack of all trades and master of none" path where the interface sure does work on everything - but works on nothing well. |
Agent_24 (57) | ||
| 1359154 | 2013-12-05 09:46:00 | Windows 8.1 is brilliant, and easy to use.......Once you have managed to get it set up!! Especially e-mail! It took me about 3 days to get an e-mail client to work, and even now I am not sure which one I am actually using. But now I will leave well alone and just enjoy the access I have to the net. My advice to new installers of W8.1 is to forget completely about previous OS used and concentrate on the learning of the new one. There a heaps of sites with tips and tutorials out there in net land. But I will say that there will be tears when trying to import your contact addresses into W8.1. It can be done, but is a real rigmarole.... good luck. I've watched with considerable interest the growth of this thread and although Richard will use W8, for me he has, in very few words, summed up the key issue. I use my computer pretty much solely for business, I have very few apps that are not business related, and no games. I have to run scientific instrument software going well back in time, because the writers can't or won't update their programs, or in an increasing number of cases are no longer in business. As I have commented before, I have instrument programs that run in DOS & Win 3.11. I massaged some to work in W95 & W98, and a few made it to W2000 but XP is currently my limit and it does not have some of the critical facilities (like print-screen from a DOS program running in Windows) and I keep W95 and W2000 operating on old notebooks to cater for those that refuse pointblank to run in XP. The next transition will be to W7 and at that point I will start running virtual machines. W8 (in any iteration) for me is simply creeping elegance and an unneccessary learning curve that I intend to avoid. For those of you who work 'on' computers rather than 'at' computers, i.e. the experts here whose occupations require them to be familiar with every new development, you may have the need, time, and opportunity to explore the depths and intricacies of a new OS, but many of us do not. I can't lose productivity for days or weeks while I learn how to configure Outlook so that I can get my email up again, or spend half a day trying unravel some error I made that didn't happen in the previous version. I can't afford to lose the functionality of my business tools during that learning curve and even if I get a new computer and keep the old one running during the upgrade process, I still lose the productivity I wait until a new OS is mature and a solid knowledge-base has been established before moving on, which is why I've only been on XP for a couple of years, and I purchase full manuals for each new OS I take on so that I can try to resolve problems myself, but very often the issues I strike are not covered because the manuals were written by people who knew the trees so well that they couldn't even begin to describe the forest. It is the lack of consistency and continuity of vital functions that makes migrating to a new OS such an arduous task, and it is not until the migration is well underway that I find out what services I have now lost or have been renamed and hidden someplace new where I can't find them. It takes several weeks to get my productivity back to anything like normal after an OS change, so I have absolutely zero interest in Microsoft's W8 saga, they cocked it up right from the start and I see no prospect of it ever being adaptable to my needs. It may well be at some point in the future but I'm not going to hold my breath. For me W8.x is a dead loss, timewasting lump of Tablet chasing rubbish. For those who have the time and inclination or the need, then as Richard said: "Once you have managed to get it set up!!" it might be of some use, but I'll pass thanks. Cheers Billy 8-{) :2cents: |
Billy T (70) | ||
| 1359155 | 2013-12-05 14:49:00 | I've watched with considerable interest the growth of this thread:Wow Billy... you shoulda/coulda written a novel instead! But well put I reckon. :thumbs: | Greg (193) | ||
| 1359156 | 2013-12-05 18:25:00 | Windows 8.1 has improved GUI a lot and there is heaps of tutorials out there to help out Would help any newbies by installing a secondary start menu to get you up and running straight away,with this there is not much difference to Win 7 and from here go exploring the differences For me on the Desktop I would not ever use the Start Screen Tiles but on a Tablet this is the way to go as Windows 8 has been developed for Tablet use and not so much desktop as Microsoft has already said the Desktop is dying |
Lawrence (2987) | ||
| 1359157 | 2013-12-05 18:57:00 | While Billys post is all true, there is one small thing you have to consider: The next transition will be to W7 Depending on when this Trasition takes place, I hope you have brought W7 well before hand. I say this becasue Like it went with XP, you wont be able to buy W7 anymore from the usual outlets, maybe only places like trademe. Even now W7 is starting to disappear from shops and suppliers. Sure its still available currently but try in a few years and it will be gone.:2cents: |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1359158 | 2013-12-05 19:12:00 | While Billys post is all true, there is one small thing you have to consider: Depending on when this Trasition takes place, I hope you have brought W7 well before hand. I say this becasue Like it went with XP, you wont be able to buy W7 anymore from the usual outlets, maybe only places like trademe. Even now W7 is starting to disappear from shops and suppliers. Sure its still available currently but try in a few years and it will be gone.:2cents: I still have a shrink wrapped Win95 (the usb version), in my cupboard. Should I hang onto it until it becomes an extremely valuable collectors item, or... find something to install it on so I can play Wolfenstein once more:horrified:lol::lol::lol: I actually don't mind win8 at all. Win7's good too. So was XP in it's day and so on and so on. |
jcr1 (893) | ||
| 1359159 | 2013-12-05 19:45:00 | Well there seems to be some division on the matter doesn’t there? However, I guess if Ford Motor Company brought out a new car that had the accelerator on the left, the clutch in the middle, and the brake on the right, whilst being steered from the rear by way of a tiller and powered by a ram-jet motor somebody would think it was an improvement on the conventional setup. Just depends what you’ve been smoking I guess. :D |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1359160 | 2013-12-05 20:09:00 | MS have put a phone interface on a PC's OS. Thats the root of the 'issues' Most here are tech Savvy & dont comprehend this issues Win8 causes to PC novices. If it needs someone tech savvy to set the thing up for a home user, then there is an issue with what is supposed to be an easy to use OS. The very fact then Win8 doesnt support pop3 , as is out of the box, shows that MS didnt care what many home users want or need Home users, who arnt tech savvy donty have a clue how to setup Win8 , to make the thing usuable . They dont know how to download install WinLive Mail Here's what MS recommended , the 1st recommendation , re pop3 "If you want to use the Mail app and keep your current account, contact your email provider and ask if they can change your account to use IMAP (Internet Message Access Protocol) or EAS (Exchange ActiveSync)" Really MS, thats what you recommend. Are you really just trying to force/trick users into outlook.com (I think so, you try & trick users into setting Win up with a MS email login) windows.microsoft.com Yes you can download & install a pop3 email client, but that not the point is it. The default photo viewer , in tile mode, is a POS. There is a better photo veiwer std in Win8, why wasnt that the default ? The very fact that Many Brand name PC manufacturers sell Business class PC's pre-downgraded to Win7(Pro) shows MS doesnt care what MOST business users want or need |
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