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Thread ID: 131276	2013-04-30 23:24:00	A good enough reason to bring back hanging ??	SP8's (9836)	PC World Chat

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1339135	2013-05-05 22:25:00	In the USA direct action like this is preferred. www.washingtonpost.com We need to look overseas for answers to crooks in NZ. Asia for the death penalty which cuts re offending rates of the people executed drastically. And The good ol USA for common sense gun laws, UK for the very Englishman's home is his castle doctrine.	prefect (6291)
1339136	2013-05-05 22:39:00	The death penalty should be for murder, manslaughter, rape, desertion, treason, drug users/ drug traffickers and repeat offenders. Agree with most of these, maybe not the manslaughter charge unless it was intent to cause GBH causing death. I mean if you're driving along at/under the speed limit and a young person or even adult steps out in front of your car without warning or time to break and they are to die, then I believe the driver should be 'charged' but not sentanced to Death. Look at that idiot who tied up his daughter or whatever I think it was on the nor-western motorway too and then jumped in front of a f**ken truck!? Poor driver :( NZ law is a joke when it comes to manslaughter though in any of the forms - I agree with Lurking on that.	lordnoddy (3645)
1339137	2013-05-05 23:16:00	There is a world of difference between someone who accidentally kills someone by no fault of their own (i.e. the victims actions brought about their own demise) and someone who beats the living c**p out of another person who subsequently dies. Of course, both would plead that "I didn't intend to kill him/her" but in the latter case the death was as the result of an intentional action whether death was intended or not. As such, it should be considered murder in whatever degree and the sentence delivered accordingly. "Manslaughter" may be the result of negligence or carelessness and in my view is just as culpable as murder and should be penalised accordingly, despite the fact that death was unintentional. What wrinkles my belly is when someone who, through no fault of their own, has killed someone and is then arbitrarily charged with manslaughter (or murder.) In most cases, they are as much a victim as the deceased and their distress is compounded by the need for blame to be affixed on someone who is still alive to be punished and the non-reimbursable expense entailed in defending themselves from nonsensical accusations. I also find it hard to make a distinction between someone who is killed in cold-blooded murder and someone reduced to a vegetative state by violence administered careless of whether or not death results. In my view, both crimes should invoke the death penalty unless it can be shown beyond doubt that the death was totally accidental and independent of the actions of the perpetrator. The only way to reduce violence in our society is to get rid of those who commit it. Whether that be by bullet or transporting them all to a desert island near the Antarctic and leave them to kill each other is immaterial to me except that the convicts should be required to pay for either the bullet or the cost of transportation.	Blue Druid (4480)
1339138	2013-05-05 23:19:00	That is covered in NZ by careless use of a motor vehicle causing death. The sentencing for that is a slap with with a wet bus ticket. We dont have a vehicular manslaughter charge like the USA. Check out wet bus ticket slappings here: judgethejudges.co.nz The idiocy of NZ law is seen everytime someone shoots a house invader. The person shot is the victim and the shooter is the crook.	prefect (6291)
1339139	2013-05-06 00:28:00	The idiocy of NZ law is seen everytime someone shoots a house invader. The person shot is the victim and the shooter is the crook. same when a Cop shoots a crim.... simple fix is dont be a crim & cops wont shoot	1101 (13337)
1339140	2013-05-06 05:41:00	I must say I was thinking along the same lines Lurking, but when the Deputy Commissioner Mike Bush only a month or so ago praised a policeman that planted evidence and described him as having "Integrity beyond reproach” sort of torpedoed that possibility. Wonder if they would have thought twice over the Arthur THOMAS case if the outcome was to be the death sentence verdict, pre-suming the death sentence was still on the books. They are not speaking ill of the dead in this case. Seems to be rife in England tho Saville being one case. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1339141	2013-05-06 06:07:00	Wonder if they would have thought twice over the Arthur THOMAS case if the outcome was to be the death sentence verdict, presuming the death sentence was still on the books. Lurking. Hmm. They might have thought twice if the penalty for bent cops who plant evidence had been death. Perhaps the same could apply to judges who sentence rapists to home detention next door to their victim or child abusers to home detention in the home of their victim.	Blue Druid (4480)
1339142	2013-05-06 06:12:00	Wonder if they would have thought twice over the Arthur THOMAS case if the outcome was to be the death sentence verdict, pre-suming the death sentence was still on the books. They are not speaking ill of the dead in this case. Seems to be rife in England tho Saville being one case. Lurking. That murder would not fit into the without doubt category. Nor would Watson , that guy that sped from Wellington to PN, that fishing boat guy on the coast, even Bain who I think is guilty. These people should not be executed but jailed if proved innocent given a few million and sent on their way..	prefect (6291)
1339143	2013-05-06 07:47:00	The problem is that at the time of Judgement the Judge and Jury doesn’t know that a Bent Cop has bodged the evidence as it doesn’t come to light until years later. 12 years in a couple of the instances already discussed. Another way might be to make it mandatory for a bent cop to serve exactly the same sentence as the person he set up. So if the accused served 12 years and a cop was found to have set him up then the cop does 12 years. Equally, if the accused was executed then the Bent Cop would be executed. Also, substantial compensation should be paid to the victim out of the police Wage Account, not the General Account, on a pro rata basis. Maybe if the whole force copped a 5% or whatever pay cut to pay the compensation there might be a change in the culture. Who knows, the Deputy Police Commissioner might even change his views about those who plant evidence? :groan:	B.M. (505)
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