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Thread ID: 131276 2013-04-30 23:24:00 A good enough reason to bring back hanging ?? SP8's (9836) PC World Chat
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1339115 2013-05-01 10:38:00 You know, we should start outsourcing our prisoners to some 2nd or 3rd world countries. (lets even pay them 5,000$ a year per prisoner)
Some place where prison means a lot of pain and suffering and hard labour in some dark and dangerous mine where they are unlikely to survive for long.

I guarantee crime rates will drop dramatically, and people with psychopathic genes will be gone from our gene-pool.

This. 		Tukapa (62)
1339116 2013-05-01 11:15:00 Not true.
Cambodia? 		prefect (6291)
1339117 2013-05-01 11:33:00 Cambodia?

Not the only, there are plenty of countries that have provisions for the death penalty but do not exercise it, and haven't for decades. 		Cato (6936)
1339118 2013-05-01 22:05:00 Not the only, there are plenty of countries that have provisions for the death penalty but do not exercise it, and haven't for decades.

Go on then give me a list of Asian countries who have not executed people in the last 10 years. Hopefully the designers of this forum website have given you enough space in the reply box for your long list. 		prefect (6291)
1339119 2013-05-01 22:32:00 If the grandfather in the story referenced by the OP had been executed when he had (luckily unsuccessfully) tried to kill his victim, two innocent Kiwi husbands and fathers might be alive today. This concerns me much more than what they might or might not do in Asia where they seem to have a surplus of humanity anyway. Blue Druid (4480)
1339120 2013-05-02 07:56:00 Go on then give me a list of Asian countries who have not executed people in the last 10 years. Hopefully the designers of this forum website have given you enough space in the reply box for your long list.

Here you go:
en.wikipedia.org 		Cato (6936)
1339121 2013-05-02 08:49:00 Well I’m all for hanging or shooting murderers but we have a problem.

That problem is the lack of integrity within our Police Force.

Let us examine some cases that come to mind.

Firstly there is the Arthur Alan Thomas case that seems destined to haunt us forever.

Here two Detectives (Johnston & Hutton) planted a bullet case to gain the conviction of Thomas. Neither Detective was investigated, and we, the taxpayer, had to shell out a million odd buck’s compensation. As if that wasn’t bad enough, just recently at Hutton’s funeral, Deputy Commissioner Mike Bush praised Hutton and described him as having "integrity beyond reproach”.
So it seems, according to the Police standards, planting evidence to obtain a conviction equals integrity beyond reproach.

Then we have the never ending Bain Case. His conviction was quashed by the Privy Council because the Police had bungled the whole thing including destroying evidence, which by chance, including the crime scene (burned down the house where the murder took place).

Next there is David Tamihere and the Swedish couple.

A pivoting point of the Police evidence was that Tamihere had given the watch of one of the victims (Sven Hoglin) to his son. Unfortunately for the Police when Sven Hoglin’s body was found a couple of years later the watch was still on his wrist.

Moving onto the Rex Haig case.

10 years in jail before having his murder conviction quashed and it seems it was the Police’s main witness who actually did it. Well done, a fine bit of police work.

Oh dear, the list goes on and I’m doing this off the top of my head but what about Scott Watson? There is just so much conflicting evidence, and to make matters worse we can’t even be absolutely sure the alleged victims are actually dead because we have no bodies.

So what’s the answer?

Well I think there should be two levels of murder. First Degree and Second Degree.

With first degree murder the Judge and Jurors must be satisfied without a Shadow of doubt they have the right person. If so, the murderer get marched out the back and shot so to speak.

Second degree murder is as it is now, beyond Reasonable doubt, jail is without probation and Life means Life. 		B.M. (505)
1339122 2013-05-02 12:49:00 Here you go:
en.wikipedia.org
For ***** sake your list is every Asian country except Cambodia then. 		prefect (6291)
1339123 2013-05-05 03:20:00 Well I’m all for hanging or shooting murderers but we have a problem.

That problem is the lack of integrity within our Police Force.

So it seems, according to the Police standards, planting evidence to obtain a conviction equals integrity beyond reproach.

So what’s the answer?

Well I think there should be two levels of murder. First Degree and Second Degree.

With first degree murder the Judge and Jurors must be satisfied without a Shadow of doubt they have the right person. If so, the murderer get marched out the back and shot so to speak.

Second degree murder is as it is now, beyond Reasonable doubt, jail is without probation and Life means Life.

If there was to be a hanging, surely the Police would have greater integrity !, perhaps they don't have a guilt complex under the present system.

Always thought murder was murder, manslaughter is a joke under today's justice system as well.

Lurking. 		Lurking (218)
1339124 2013-05-05 03:58:00 The death penalty should be for murder, manslaughter, rape, desertion, treason, drug users/ drug traffickers and repeat offenders. Dont care if the abolitionists say it has no deterrence effect because they are wrong. Once the person is dead it deters them from offending again.
As I said before look to Asia they have some answers to our problems.We have got too soft in the West and need to harden up. This country needs more gun and hunting culture like it had when I was a kid. 		prefect (6291)
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