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Thread ID: 135735	2013-12-06 00:23:00	Formatting problem	jupiter1 (2578)	Press F1

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1361853	2013-12-06 06:38:00	Hmm... I thought it might be some strange config\compatibility issue as the whole problem sounds rather odd.. but now I think again it sounds more like just a faulty HDD then, if it had issues while you were doing a restore. Possibly Win2k works because it writes less data to the drive - when you install XP there is more data written (or tries to be written) and ends up in some bad sector area. I suspect the drive is failing - try running some program to read SMART values, you'll probably find a high error count somewhere. In Windows you can use CrystalDisk Info, SpeedFan, or as a bootable utility, something like HDAT2. I have seen many failures of the old Seagate drives of this era. Sometimes they fail just sitting there on the shelf.	Agent_24 (57)
1361854	2013-12-07 04:37:00	Hi Guys, New development. Been running almost 2 days now on Win xp on the Maxtor HDD and has just powered down same as on the Segate whilst updating MS essentials signatures. Not had chance yet to "activate" win xp, could this cause the problem ?. OR.... Conclusion, Must be MOBO or CPU ? Strange that it kills the PSU to the extent that it must be disconnected from the house supply at the wall. Any thoughts ?, anyone ?	jupiter1 (2578)
1361855	2013-12-07 08:59:00	Won't be activation problem, that will give you an error message, not trip the PSU into protection mode. Definitely hardware fault somewhere. PSU probably. Being a Pentium 4 machine it's old enough for the PSU to be suspect, especially so if it's a cheap one like a Hyena. Or the motherboard, or some other faulty hardware.	Agent_24 (57)
1361856	2013-12-07 09:37:00	It can't be the PSU, I've changed that twice !	jupiter1 (2578)
1361857	2013-12-07 20:25:00	What about CPU temperature? Checked it's not overheating?	Agent_24 (57)
1361858	2013-12-07 21:11:00	Been running almost 2 days now on Win xp on the Maxtor HDD and has just powered down same as on the Segate whilst updating MS essentials signatures. Since this has happened now as well, you have to look at whats the same. Looking at the first post, the only items that really matter and are the same are the Optical Drive, CPU and motherboard. Looks like the Ribbons have been changed, those can cause that problem. The optical drive could cause the problems as well. That would mean as Agent_24 mentioned either the CPU is overheating or more than likely the Motherboard is starting to fail on the IDE Socket. Generally if a HDD is the cause it will simply lock up, not power down, unless theres some sort of electrical problem. BUT now its done it to two HDD's with different PSU's that could eliminate that.	wainuitech (129)
1361859	2013-12-11 02:57:00	I now tend to agree that the problem is with the MOBO or CPU but not that it is a heat problem. I have been keeping a eye on the temperatures via the bios and have had a couple of fans on the machines innards, (cover is off). If either the cpu or mobo are at fault why would they cause a situation where the machine has to be dis-connected from the house supply at the wall ???	jupiter1 (2578)
1361860	2013-12-11 03:03:00	Could something in the "System volume info" folder be corrupted and causing this. Formatting the HDD doesn't affect thid folder does it ?	jupiter1 (2578)
1361861	2013-12-11 03:08:00	If either the cpu or mobo are at fault why would they cause a situation where the machine has to be dis-connected from the house supply at the wall ??? What can happen is sometimes if the Motherboard is failing at some point, then when a Computer is told to shut down, by either a instruction from within the OS Eg: shutdown, or by pressing the Power Button and holding it, if the signal is not getting to the PSU then it wont shut down, so the point of pulling /cutting the power makes sure there is no power going to the PSU. When you shut down a PC it does a lot of things before it actually shuts down, just found a good explanation as to what happens: When you shut down the operating system, it sends that shut down info to applications and services that are running. Each service or app should do what it was programmed to do once it gets that shut down signal. Some apps and services write data to files and the close the file before exiting RAM. Other apps/services don't need to save any data, they just exit RAM. The Window Operating System is just a bunch of apps and services. As a whole, Windows saves data to a lot of files during a shut down	wainuitech (129)
1361862	2013-12-11 04:35:00	The PSU has protection circuitry to protect against internal faults and faults with the loads, if any protection is tripped it requires a power off to reset it. If some part is faulty it maybe tripping overload\short circuit or some other protection.	Agent_24 (57)
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