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Thread ID: 45118	2004-05-11 03:02:00	So be it. [user mod discussion, please read - Bruce]	metla (154)	Press F1

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235664	2004-05-11 20:59:00	Yet again, we prove that you can't please all the people all the time. As Aesop said "He who tries to please everyone, pleases no-one". If we have a couple of good apples to help keep an eye on the bad apples it will discourage misbehaviour and minimise the impact of it when it occurs. Given that it is Bruce and I who have our thingies in the vice to ensure that PressF1 is not a problem, I guess we have to go with what we are comfortable with. It won't suit everybody, but it should help calm things down. robo.	robo (205)
235665	2004-05-11 21:35:00	Spot on robo. If user mod's have to be appointed then, appointed is the operative word. "Survivor" type voting has no place in appointments to or kicking from the forum. On a slight twist on metla's reasoning, the admin's are employed (in part) to run the forum so, IMO the final decisions theirs as to whether and/or who the forum gets moderators. The consultation is nice, of course, but after all is said and done, is only consultation. Speaking of metla. Don't throw the baby out with the bath water. Hang around and see it through. Besides, most of us don't want to see you go. Cheers Murray P	Murray P (44)
235666	2004-05-11 21:53:00	"I agree with Robsonde's votes and would add Billy T. Billy shows maturity and good judgement IMHO. " - Winston001 You must be joking - three out of the last four locked posts were started by Billy T and the fourth was stirred by him as well. Billy may give good advice now and then, but certainly likes to stir the pot with his often sarcastic or belittling comments. He seems to believe he is better than the rest of us and enjoys putting others down then stands back and watches the fire. Someone with his supposed maturity should act in a more responsible fashion. Maybe you guys are looking in the wrong place for the troublemakers. My 2 cents worth.	andy (473)
235667	2004-05-11 22:14:00	2 cents worth from someone who used to be a regular here a long long time ago . . . . . . . I stopped coming here for a number of reasons, primarily though it was the amount of catfighting, flaming and arrogance shown by a small group of members that appeared soon after the creation of candy . Some of those members have long gone . . . . some of those members are still here . Pre candy the environment used to be extremely friendly, now PF1 has joined the multitudes of other internet forums out there (natural evolution I guess) . This is why I tend to not bother answering questions these days, it's not worth the irritation when someone disagrees and rather than post a diplomatic reply they go off on a flame assault . People come and go, I went but still do lurk in the wings observing . . . . . . I can say though if you are to appoint Mods from what I have seen of the behaviour around here I would be limiting it to possibly 4~5 candidates that have been here since the invention of the wheel :) I am sure the powers that be know who to appoint anyway .	TazzieNZ (463)
235668	2004-05-11 22:26:00	I asked for opinions to make sure my own thinking on the subject wasn't way off beam. We all seem in general agreement - not much is needed (Tweak'e's right - real flame wars we rearely have, but still, we don't wnat to get them either), but a little extra ability to nip problems in the bud early might help everyone stay calm. I've sent an email asking one person if they want to take it on.	Biggles (121)
235669	2004-05-11 22:54:00	> > What me and metla are trying to say is that we made a > killing off our > broken glass business (pressf1.pcworld.co.nz > read=46301) and are now > retiring on the profits Completely OT but I just have to thank PoWa for the link. I missed that thread. Haven't had such a good laugh since.....well.....the fridge. PoWa, you and I need to talk. I think we can sue Godfather for failure to deliver, goods not fit for their purpose, and perhaps throw in a prosecution for shipping dangerous goods across the Bombay Hills state line. And maybe sue Metla too for conversion of the goods, just to be sure. But firstly there is the not- inconsequential matter of my fee to be settled. You are good for it? :D	Winston001 (3612)
235670	2004-05-11 23:02:00	Quote from BB: > I've sent an email asking one person if they want to > take it on. OMG!!!! Bruce, do you have the Father, Son and Holy Ghost's email address? I'm not so sure this problem warrant the big one's intervention (yet) :D	nzStan (440)
235671	2004-05-11 23:33:00	> <dig begins here > > > Persons like WTF... > > <dig ends here > Ironic that two moderators sit in this thread, yet ignore posts like the one above - if I or aroc or one of the other newer people here posted that we'd be jumped all over in two seconds flat. I think this place is too incestuous to have user mods, there is a core of 20 or so people that treat this place like their own personal playground. They already run around like wannabe mods, only when it is to the defence of their allies, you only need to go through a few threads and it's pretty easy to spot who it is. It seems that the problem here isn't the odd spiteful post, as already mentioned, if people have a problem with it, don't read it, or ignore it. The bigger problem is when someone does say something that is either controversial or insulting, an entire team of psuedo demigods come in and start trying to throw their CyberWeight around. The existing mods also seem happy to ignore posts, regardless of content if it's done by particular people. The amount of ****-slinging that a certain person with the namesake of a much missed maori comedian makes on the sly, masked under the guise of semi-intellectual obscure words that goes completely untouched is ridiculous. That guy treats pretty much everyone on the forum like something he scraped off his shoe and gets away with it. Realistically there probably isn't a requirement for more moderation, the clique needs to be broken up and loosened up a bit. If they can't handle the odd snide comment, usually deserved then it's them with the problem. In a recent thread I questioned someones competence after posting completely incorrect advice (to plug a water damaged appliance into the mains to help dry it out) - it was done politely, which was contrary to everything I wanted to do. I was the one that was jumped on, again by the team of demi-gods who had questioned one of their own. Never mind the fact that his advice would have most likely destroyed an expensive piece of electronic gear, never mind the potential for injury to the operator using it. That is the sort of thing that happens around here, pretty regularly really, yet people think it is the few of us that dare not to conform that are the problem.	whiskeytangofoxtrot (438)
235672	2004-05-12 00:00:00	> Quote from BB: > > I've sent an email asking one person > if they want to > > take it on. > > > OMG!!!! Bruce, do you have the Father, Son and Holy > Ghost's email address? I'm not so sure this problem > warrant the big one's intervention (yet) :D That made my day :^O Very good.... B-)	Chilling_Silence (9)
235673	2004-05-12 00:02:00	>That is the sort of thing that happens around here, pretty regularly really, yet people think it is the few of us that dare not to conform that are the problem . I'm trying to be productive here, and locking editing this thread won't achieve that, so I've let comments stand . You are not wrong that at times some people get jumped on more because of who they are than what they have actually said in a particular thread . There are two main types of offence that cause problems here . The rarest is when someone just starts up and says something offensive, be it a slur on another user or a general comment . The more common problem is the continual bitching between a small group of users . It has got to the point where someone like you WTF, cannot post without others -- who do seem to consider themselves "in the right" -- having a go at you and before long a perfectly innocent thread is gone bad . Metla has been guilty of this, as have others . But then, you've said plenty of stuff youself -- under the guise of "not conforming" I assume -- that has created the bad feeling in the first place . There aren't too many totally innocent parties involved here . In point of fact I can count on one hand the individual users who regularly take the time to alert me to problems in threads, despite this being my advice in the Rule thread . In most cases those taking offence do not alert me, or Rob, and then complain because we do not do something about it . If you've got a problem with a post email me . As it stands the result is that the larger majority of silent users -- including many old hands who've stopped posting to avoid this kind of thing -- have to sit back and be unwilling spectators to cat fights . Unwilling because these catfight take place in threads that start out being helpful or informative . I want this kind of thing to stop . No, it isn't a “flamewar” by the standards of other forums, but it poisoning this forum . Those involved in it don't some to realise that, or care . So, if we have one user mod who is able to kill such comment quicker than I or Rob can and return good threads to a non-spoilt status quicker, then that is a solid improvement from my point of view . I'm not going to be drawn into a fight here and now about who has done what or said what in the past . I've made multiple tongue-in-check comments over the past few months (usually when locking threads) to the effect that some of you need to cool off and walk away from your computers for a bit . I'm not going to bother so much in the future and might simply start locking user names out . The rules are there . They are not hard to adhere to . If you disagree with the advice some has given it is entirely possible to say so, politely, and explain why without dumping on the other guy has as become common practice for some users here . Please remember that for every one of you posting, there are a great many more who are viewing and they should not have to be exposed to your personal issues with other users . Perhaps one day we’ll have private messaging and you can fight in private, but for now, cut it out .	Biggles (121)
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