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Thread ID: 45176 2004-05-12 22:42:00 PressF1 problems, down time and all that Jazz - please read Biggles (121) Press F1
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236148 2004-05-17 12:52:00 Now I'm pretty new at this stuff, but even I know that you can block general cookies in IE, but still keep some you do allow.

I'm on Win98SE.
I sorted it somehow so long ago that I'd forgotten about the bob-up IDG survey connected to PF1 (until I saw exLL's post, that is) There's got to be a simpler answer than changing uour browser...

Not that I'm knocking the idea of a browser change..Once I've learned this one thoroughly, I'll want to try another.

And the fact that I can't just toss off the info about how to fix the cookie situation off the top of my head at this time of night probably shows how much I still have to learn....

Someone else will help with that, no doubt... but on its own, it sure ain't a reason to change browsers.

(And yes, I will try Linux when I've beaten Billy Gates' system to my satisfaction)
Laura (43)
236149 2004-05-17 13:15:00 >but on
> its own, it sure ain't a reason to change browsers.

The point about changing browsers isn't to do with cookies - it's to do with the pop-ups - browsers like Mozilla and Netscape can disable pop-ups and still keep whatever cookie settings you want
Greg S (201)
236150 2004-05-17 13:25:00 Thanks Greg, but I'm doing that OK with IE & Google's pop-up stopper & stuff.
(Haven't one for ages)
Mind you, depends on the sites you surf, I guess....
Laura (43)
236151 2004-05-18 00:54:00 That pop-up survey that you refer to is an initiative of a group called the Online Publishers Group - of which IDG is a member . Other members include TVNZ, NZ Herald, Stuff, Vodaphone and XtraMSN .

This group was set up to help try and grow the internet market in New Zealand .

Key to this was actually understanding the market too (including how it changes over time) . To that end, we commissioned RedSheriff (an internet measurement company) which has since become Neilsen NetRatings to undertake the traffic measurement and run both these popup online surveys (which run on all OPG-member sites) and an extensive telephone survey .

There are basically two reasons that this popup continues to appear on your screen (assuming that you are not blocking popups of course) . The first is that if you have filled out a survey previously, it gets invalidated eventually (as the information would otherwise become stale) - and you are then invited to participate again in the survey (this gives us an idea of how people's internet usage changes over time) .

Secondly - the survey information gathered is anonymous . The way that we ensure that we are not getting information from the same small group of information over and over again is that we (or rather NetRatings) can place a cookie that says "this person has already filled out the survey, and recently enough that they shouldn't be invited to fill it out again" . If you delete the cookie, the system will re-invite you to fill out the survey .

There are tens of thousands of completed surveys - and for the first time, the internet industry in New Zealand is able to start to understand better how people are using online . Which in turn allows them to better ascertain the needs of their audiences . . . leading to better sites for you, the reader . In this respect, New Zealand is actually leading the rest of the world, and Neilsen Netratings is using the NZ model as a model for other countries to follow .

I hope that helps explain what the survey is about and what we do with the information gathered? Again, I stress that the information filled out in these surveys is anonymous, and the results are aggregated, and no-one is personally identiable from the surveys . It's simply a tool to help people publishing online to better understand who their audience is, what they want to do online, and how they want to do it .

Mark Evans
CTO & Online Business Manager
IDG Communications Ltd



[Edited by: admin on May 18, 2004 11:56 AM]
marke (457)
236152 2004-05-18 01:37:00 > That pop-up survey .....
> .....want to do online, and how they want to do it.
>
> Mark Evans
> CTO & Online Business Manager
> IDG Communications Ltd
>
>
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> [Edited by: admin on May 18, 2004 11:56 AM]

Thanks for that info. As a "pop-up blocker-user I was curious about what it was.

Personally I think a user's browser shouldn't be invaded by pop-ups - no matter what their intent. A much more polite way would be to have a hyperlink asking if a user would like to contribute.

Long live pop-up blockers!
Greg S (201)
236153 2004-05-18 02:46:00 > Personally I think a user's browser shouldn't be
> invaded by pop-ups - no matter what their intent. A
> much more polite way would be to have a hyperlink
> asking if a user would like to contribute.
Yes, good point, I totally agree :-) That way its voluntary and doesnt annoy the person visiting a website! Statistics may vary however then....

> Long live pop-up blockers!
Amen to that :-)
Chilling_Silence (9)
236154 2004-05-18 09:16:00 marke. Thanks for that full explanation about the IDG survey. My main reason for posting was that I had the idea that it might have been outdated and would be uselessly sloshing around in the background of Press F1 and using up your resources. I now know the full story. The fact that it pops up doesn't bother me at all.

Laura. Thanks for your comments too. I use Win 98. I often clear my cookies manually (select and delete) and just leave the three that pertain to Press F1. Your remarks were interesting. I sort of knew that they could be locked in but had not bothered to suss it out.
As it's starting to get rather off topic for the original thread, I'll consider your comments and post in a different thread if I need further help. Thanks again.
Cheers. :)
exLL (515)
236155 2004-05-19 23:19:00 Well, 16 hours without posting....

Looks like the issue lives on :-(
Chilling_Silence (9)
236156 2004-05-19 23:24:00 > Well, 16 hours without posting....
>
> Looks like the issue lives on :-(

Yeah pity. For the first time ever I wasn't able to login, this morning.
Greg S (201)
236157 2004-05-20 00:47:00 Ho yes, back on board. Locked out for the past day and I was a very cross bear. Bit of a worry that lack of membership for a computer forum should bother me. I'm not really a geek - honest. :D Winston001 (3612)
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