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Thread ID: 45451 2004-05-22 13:34:00 look at this... try to copy Australia's broadband way!!! jackyht (3685) Press F1
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238551 2004-05-24 09:06:00 > No one is asking for a free lunch, we are asking for
> a service that reflects the reality of the cost to
> provide it. Full speed Jetstream is available for

So its much cheaper for Telecom to provide faster internet than they make out? I'm not so sure about that.

> home users with a whopping 1Gb cap. Do the math on
> how long that will take to download at 2 - 8Mbs, then
> take a moderate example, say you download 5Gb a month
> - 4Gb @ 20c/Mb = One Nasty Telecom bill. Even excess
> data charges of 5c/Mb are believable, but 20c/Mb is
> nothing short of daylight robbery.

LOL I have to pay 10c per 10KB downloaded on one of my internet accounts ;) It's reasonably fast though. I think 20c/MB isn't too bad :)

Mike. 		Mike (15)
238552 2004-05-24 09:21:00 Perhaps, but it is hard to believe they [Telecom] are struggling along when they post a massive profit [$700mil year to June 2003?]... not that I am against them doing well, I just don't expect them to do well and overcharge at the same time :-) _mike_ (4814)
238553 2004-05-24 09:35:00 ps. from last years annual report:

"internet service provider xtra
continues to see good growth with
customers up 13% and revenue up 27%
on the previous year"

;-) 		_mike_ (4814)
238554 2004-05-24 09:40:00 Hello!?!?!?, there are people out there called Telecom Shareholders. They want profits. Most businesses would be non-existent if their aims wasn't to make a profit. ~~~~~ s y ~~~~~ (2054)
238555 2004-05-24 09:52:00 /rant

Yes indeed, and most (apparently) are foreign investors. Telecom is in a unique position that is pivotal for our economy. I appreciate that they must deliver a profit to their shareholders; I also believe that they have an ethical obligation as the provider of the vast majority of NZ's telecomms infrastructure to not take gross advantage of that situation.

Anyway, we will simply have to wait and see what happens post the decision not to unbundle the local loop. If ISPs are given reasonable wholesale products to work with we will find out what the real cost of providing fast internet is very quickly.

/rant 		_mike_ (4814)
238556 2004-05-25 06:38:00 > > To think, in 10 months time we'll get 1/3rd of
> > Aussies pace. Woohoo!!
>
> If you want the speed, then pay the money and get
> full Jetstream. It's been available in NZ for a
> while at 2Mb and faster. Stop griping about it.
> Everyone just seems to want something for nothing -
> but there's no such thing as a free lunch.

Yes but it's not as if we can go somewhere else and get a high speed connection as Telecom still own that last little bit of the copper wire. And don't start with you can go on Whoosh as 99.9% of NZ probably cant get it yet and it has the same problems as IHug satellite has in that it is no good for games.

All we want is a fair price and reasonable speed. 		Big John (551)
238557 2004-05-25 06:50:00 I think you're talking nonsense Mike...
Telecom's cost of international bandwidth would be in the order of 0.2 to 0.5 cents per MB, or maybe even less. So where they pay $2 per GB they charge us $200 on full Jetstream over the cap...

I think the term ripp-off is appropriate... 		Duck (5449)
238558 2004-05-25 08:11:00 > I think you're talking nonsense Mike. ..
> Telecom's cost of international bandwidth would be in
> the order of 0.2 to 0.5 cents per MB, or maybe even
> less. So where they pay $2 per GB they charge us $200
> on full Jetstream over the cap...

Where do you get those figures from?

Mike. 		Mike (15)
238559 2004-05-25 08:35:00 > If you want the speed, then pay the money and get
> full Jetstream. It's been available in NZ for a
> while at 2Mb and faster. Stop griping about it.
> Everyone just seems to want something for nothing -
> but there's no such thing as a free lunch.
>
> Mike.
Something for nothing?? Don't get me wrong I'm willing to pay, but not at rates and limits I KNOW are only possible because of a monopoly.

Hmmm.

So lets look at the full jetstream product shall we?

1GB limit for 2Megabits per second. Then 20c per excess Megabyte.

As a user it is completely unusable. Its not safe. I don't want 100's in excess charges, or even the threat of 100's in excess charges. For example Download two game demos and guess what - I'm paying a charge per megabyte that in no way reflects the cost to provide the service. Or god forbid I get a virus that creates internet traffic...
How do I know that?
$80 / 1024 meg free = 7.8c a meg

And if we take into account fixed costs of providing a DSL connection (lets say about the wholesale rate Telstra charges in Oz, $30 (about to be reduced further..)
($80 - $30) / 1024 = 4.9c a meg.

So why am I being charged 20c a meg? Because of a monopoly, thats why. And these calculations are not even taking into account the fact that the full-speed accounts have a great price premium anyway. The per meg charges for 10GB (plus shaping) Jetsurf is .6c per MB. Half a cent.

What ever happened to offering a range of products and speeds that suit different customers needs?? Not the polar opposites like we have right now. You know, like a 1Mbps 5GB plan then shaping. Or a 512k one... how bout a pricing structure that allows you to mix and match speeds and limits?? How bout offering the safety of shaping on more than just one plan?? With all the options in Oz, thats the effective situation there (www.whirlpool.net.au). Telecom are skimming the cream with one plan and offering fat-free milk with the other, there is no middle ground.

But it ain't going to happen here, as we don't have competition, but a protected monopoly.

Cheers. 		daskip (5243)
238560 2004-05-25 08:55:00 Well look at this:

. aardvark . co . nz/daily/2003/ror0904 . shtml" target="_blank">www . aardvark . co . nz and you know what one of the smaller players (Slingshot) is paying 		Duck (5449)
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