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Thread ID: 45685	2004-05-30 23:28:00	Dell Hardcopy SPAM	Woof (2402)	Press F1

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240533	2004-06-02 04:32:00	> I'm immune to life's witless and petty irritations, > all of them. ]:) You're immune to aroc? Ive never known somebody to be immune to a human bean ;-)	Chilling_Silence (9)
240534	2004-06-02 04:35:00	Bruce. As far as I'm concerned any company that sells computers with half the necessary ram, no floppy drive and charges you $90 to deliver itis just a rip off merchant. They advertise their price in bold letters. And then mentions the $90 in small print. Have a close look at their advert in PC World. Then work out the total cost of bringing it up to scratch. This is my last post on the subject or you might lock me out. Jack	JJJJJ (528)
240535	2004-06-02 04:37:00	> Ive never known somebody to be immune to a human bean > ;-) C'mon Chilling_Silence, Was that knock on a fellow PressF1 user really neccesary? Play nice dude, this doesnt have to get personal!	Moderator (5700)
240536	2004-06-02 04:53:00	Lack of sales is often a sign of doing things wrong . Running out of money isa definites sign of doing things wrong . Dell seem to be able to afford postage . :D The majority of computer purchasers in the world might be stupid . I don't know, and I'd not make such an assertion without some evidence . There are three Dells and two Compaqs in this cluster of PCs . I've seen more problems with the Compaqs than with the Dells . Perhaps I might not buy a Dell computer to play computer games . (I wouldn't buy any computer to play games . ) But if I was buying commodity computers, I'd see no reason to not consider Dells . " . . . maybe all that matters is money to american corporations" ? Michael Dell started a small company . He sold computers in a a highly competitive market, against enormous corporations . His company has passed their sales . He now has a large corporation . He didn't do that by selling junk to stupid customers . Of course now it's a large company, it will have lots of managers and marketing experts . So it might be hard to get off their mailing lists . :D	Graham L (2)
240537	2004-06-02 05:03:00	Well, If I was buying computers in bulk for a corporate environment i would buy dell's.... But never if the system was going to be used for anything more intensive then office related work, One can do much better.	metla (154)
240538	2004-06-02 05:13:00	>This is my last post on the subject or you might lock me out. No Jack, I wanted your opinion and you gave it fair enough. No need for talk of lock outs. I see your point, but personally I think many PC vendors are guilty of such under-specced advertising - I wouldn't single Dell out for that practice. It's all about magic price points and plenty of vendors economise to meet price points with the best "sounding" specification. As for the quality of the PCs, well I can't comment on Metla's view that they use cheap components, but I have owned a Dell (it's the missus computer now since I built my new one) for several years and never had any problems with it. Same for my mum (who has just bought a new one). Then again, you'll find someone who has had no end of problems. The same goes for pretty much any vendor.	Biggles (121)
240539	2004-06-02 05:31:00	What I was referring to inparticuler were the graphic cards, Over at racesimcentral.com I have on quite a few occasions tried to help people whose computers are running at levels well below what the specs suggest they should,...in every case we found those using Dells had video cards that were clocked substantially lower then the retail product should be. And I wont even get into the modems I pulled out of some computers that after a bit of detective work were identified as being withdrawn off the American market due to defects, bought in bulk and distributed in Australasia, Nor will I get into propriety components, Machines delivered in a non-working state,120w power supplies, cd-roms that are distributed even when its known they can't read disc's with certain copy protection....Copy protection that was used on the cd's the system was supplied with. Then we get into practices where recovery disks won't work unless they can read certain files on a hidden partition, great idea unless the files on the hd are corrupt... Then we have the scenario of repairs, If you have a brand name computer that is out of warranty and it needs fixing it will cost a ridicules amount of money, You can't use an off the shelf psu,if you replace the motherboard and psu the OS is worthless. bah....I could go on and on and on and on.......and chances are i will... ..................HA	metla (154)
240540	2004-06-02 05:37:00	But having said that,if you want a machine to do letter writing,internet tasks and are quite hapy to cut your losses and throw it away when it breaks.............Dell are excellent,as are HP and Compaq.	metla (154)
240541	2004-06-02 05:38:00	Getting back to the post re: Dell making huge sales etc....there is a very good reason why Dell is the largest computer manufacturer in the world....MARKETTING!!! Hence the horrendous amount of junk mail we all receive from them. If they play the numbers game and fire out hundreds of thousands of advertising brochures and get maybe a 1 or 2% hit rate, then they sell thousands of machines. True their systems may not be the best buy for your money or the best quality...but they sell because their name is out there in everyone's letterbox. I mean nobody buys MacDonalds because it is nutritional and really tasty....it is well branded and constantly flashed in front of our faces on telly and in print, we are conditioned to buy it. The actual quality of the product has less to do with sales these days it's the marketting (look at the Spice Girls etc.)	Sb0h (3744)
240542	2004-06-02 05:42:00	>The actual quality of the product has less to do with sales these days it's the marketting (look at the Spice Girls etc.) Always been that way,look at the monkees.	metla (154)
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