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Thread ID: 132834	2013-05-22 22:55:00	EECA Update - essentially for the system builder.	Iantech (16386)	PC World Chat

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1342657	2013-05-22 22:55:00	Following on from the other thread , here is how it stacks up after attending the EECA seminar yesterday. From 1st October anyone building a new computer for sale must be registered with the EECA. The computer you build must comply with EECA Standards and that computer also needs to be registered with the EECA. This applies even if you build one computer a year. To comply with the standards, all that is really required is an 80+ Silver or better PSU. You then have to register that computer through the EECA website. This does not apply to second hand computers, as it does not apply to parts or repairs (meaning if you have to replace the PSU in a computer, it does not have to be registered - if the computer was sold after Oct 1st, it will already be registered, if sold before Oct 1st, it does not apply). You can build a computer for yourself, the law only applies for those selling new computers. If you then go to sell your computer on, it is then "second hand" so EECA requirements do not effect you. Which opens up a bit of a loophole IMO, as you could build a new computer but advertise it as second hand to sell it and therefore get around the EECA requirements. Failure to comply is enforced with a $10,000 penalty. They have acknowledged they are aware of Trademe sellers, which I take from that, that they are going to monitor new computer sales on that pretty closely. There are other laws and standards if you have a retail shop, or display new computers in your shop window etc but Im not getting into that. Questions or comments welcome.	Iantech (16386)
1342658	2013-05-22 23:12:00	A brilliant move. More @#!% bodies to comply with and pay for but at least our rain can go straight into the sea without needing to push turbines around, and winds need no longer be slowed by air turbines, since with the power savings we can just put a few thermocouples in the beehive vents and extract the heat from the soggy winds and trough fumes, thereby recovering the power to run the country without those pesky computers furiously eating all our amps. With that and the National cycleway, it is easy to see we are "in the very best of hands".	R2x1 (4628)
1342659	2013-05-22 23:15:00	So how and when are they going to contact EVERY computer builder / Business regarding these changes. If it wasn't for the original and this post in PF1 there has never as far as I know been any mention of it ??? BTW - most PSU's these days are 80+ Silver anyway, maybe some of the cheaper budget ones aren't. You then have to register that computer through the EECA website. How exactly and what do you register -- Example, If someone built two computers, they are almost identical, with the exception of one or two parts and of course different owners -- There are no actual serial numbers or model numbers apart from the separate components.	wainuitech (129)
1342660	2013-05-23 00:03:00	So the point of registering new computers is... :confused:	pcuser42 (130)
1342661	2013-05-23 00:22:00	Finally a law against crap PSUs.	Agent_24 (57)
1342662	2013-05-23 00:32:00	This will have so many loopholes it wont be funny. Heres an example. Take a online shop -- the law only applies for those selling new computers. The shop Sells all the parts to a person - that person builds it, NOW who has to register it --The Builder or the shop that sold the parts. ? Technically the shop has sold a computer. What happens if the person buys components from various places ? While the shop may have sold the parts, as they were sold the computer wouldn't work - the builder would have to be told they have to register -- I think we all know what would be said :)	wainuitech (129)
1342663	2013-05-23 01:35:00	it all seems slightly confusing to me	GameJunkie (72)
1342664	2013-05-23 02:15:00	So how and when are they going to contact EVERY computer builder / Business regarding these changes. If it wasn't for the original and this post in PF1 there has never as far as I know been any mention of it ? ? ? BTW - most PSU's these days are 80+ Silver anyway, maybe some of the cheaper budget ones aren't. How exactly and what do you register -- Example, If someone built two computers, they are almost identical, with the exception of one or two parts and of course different owners -- There are no actual serial numbers or model numbers apart from the separate components.They wont contact every system builder, simply because they have no idea who or how many there are (yes, they said that), so, 1. I guess there will be advertising or something closer to the time, possibly mailouts to IT related companies and 2. Their initial stance is going to be on educating and compliance rather than imposing penalties, so they will help anyone to become compliant (I know it doesn't really answer your question). Most PSUs at the moment are not 80+ silver certified, even Dove (who where there) said about 80% of their current PSU's are not silver+ certified. And looking on Ascent, I would say 80% wouldn't be there either. No, but yes. You register you have built 2 computers that comply with the standard (IE: has a silver certified psu - and an energy star monitor if one is supplied) but you group them under one name. Providing the least compliant one is listed, all others above that in the same group go through basically with recording number of units but not necessarily specific details. (confused yet ? It is difficult to get your head around at first, but now I have had someone else explain it to me, its not so confusing lol). This will have so many loopholes it wont be funny. Heres an example. Take a online shop -- The shop Sells all the parts to a person - that person builds it, NOW who has to register it --The Builder or the shop that sold the parts. ? Technically the shop has sold a computer. What happens if the person buys components from various places ? While the shop may have sold the parts, as they were sold the computer wouldn't work - the builder would have to be told they have to register -- I think we all know what would be said :)The builder has to register it, not the shop, the shop only sold the parts. Its not where the parts are from, its the system builder who needs to register it. I know from Dove for example, all their "built" stock will already be registered - their Acer and Sony range, they are also going to register their "bare bones" systems. But anything you build yourself from parts and intend to sell, will need to be registered by yourself - even if it is a single unit - I queried this specifically yesterday.	Iantech (16386)
1342665	2013-05-23 02:23:00	it all seems slightly confusing to meChange that slightly" to "hugely" and it summed me up until yesterday which was the whole reason for attending the seminar. I spend 2 days reading on their website trying to understand it all and was still confused, the seminar was a little over an hour, and now it is as clear as mud (lol, no, I understand it reasonably well now). If you want to know what the full regulation and compliance standards are, they can be bought off their website (I seem to remember each part (there are 2 parts) costs around the $200 mark), apparently it spells it all out in great detail.	Iantech (16386)
1342666	2013-05-23 06:47:00	From the information posted so far ( thanks) :) its gonna be a non event anyway . If components are purchased from reliable dealers and shops they will comply = Problem solved . What will be impossible is to "police" is people registering . I say impossible because if a average Joe blogs buys components from a shop and builds /sells the odd computer, who is going to make sure they register it ?? The ONLY way is if the shops become snitches and pass on the persons contact details . They will simply go tell them to go to hell . The only ones that will have to make sure its done is regular builders and people who sell on trade me . Personally I don't have a problem registering, BUT who's going to check as to what's actually registered -- Are they going to go around to people places and check -- :tui:	wainuitech (129)
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