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244332 2004-06-14 07:29:00 Ok, you have probably heard about my computer by now, but here it is again.

Basically, it crashes very often. Switches right off. Mainly when using graphical applications, inclding games. Can crash with anything though, like winzip even. It seems to only happen when it reaches 70 degrees, but we have been told its a software error. Which I did not believe one bit, becuase when we loaded on some CPU Cooler thing, to make the cpu idle, it hardly ever crashed.

We play Age of Empires: The Conquerors a lot, and it crashed so much using that, that we stopped playing it. I see the CD has 1% bad block or something, but I cracked AOE, so it wasnt using the disk, so the disk could not be locking it up somehow.

Anyway, my Dad just bought a new laptop. Installed all his work programs, and AOE. Now it crashes on the new laptop as well.

So, i guess it comes down to one of Dads work programs, because we have a computer for us kids, and we can play AOE fine.

So, please tell me, how can i find conficts between programs?

Lets call the main computer PC1, and laptop can be called laptop, and the kids computer can be PC2.

PC1 crashes when reaches 70 degrees, yet apparently is a software problem. Crashes most on AOE

Laptop crashes with AOE only so far. Just completely locks up, can not ctrl-alt-delete

PC2 doesnt crash, has AOE.

Now, I would say from the first two it was AOE, but how can AOE crash anything?

I think i might of contradicted myself somewhere in this, but not to worry.

All computers Win XP Pro, Geforce cards, Updated drivers, whatever.

Go figure, that is my rant done. 		mejobloggs (264)
244333 2004-06-14 07:33:00 70 degrees is FAR too hot, go invest a few dollars in a bigger CPU Heatsink / Fan combo! Chilling_Silence (9)
244334 2004-06-14 07:38:00 Hey, it didnt used to crash, took it into get fixed though, and they put in a new harddrive with nothing except bare minimum, and it didnt crash.

70 sounds hot to me. But the fixers assured my Dad that it was Ok. 		mejobloggs (264)
244335 2004-06-14 08:25:00 Buy a heat sink and fan,install it with care,install a case fan.Install some rounded ide cables and tidy the rest.

Make sure your comp isn't sitting on the carpet.

70 is far to hot,the shop you took it to are full of crapola. 		metla (154)
244336 2004-06-14 09:14:00 70 degrees is nothing.....honest ;-)

cpu temps don't mean jack without knowing what cpu you have, the case temp and the room temp. (and how the temps are measured)

also check how hot video card, mobo chipset and hardrive are.

what video cards (including laptop) and video drivers are they using.

what other software is running in the background? 		tweak'e (174)
244337 2004-06-14 09:19:00 > Buy a heat sink and fan,install it with care,install
> a case fan.Install some rounded ide cables and tidy
> the rest.
>
> Make sure your comp isn't sitting on the carpet.
>
> 70 is far to hot,the shop you took it to are full of
> crapola.
>

pressf1.pcworld.co.nz

Did you not advise that rounded cables will not reduce the temperature very much in the above thread? Have a look at your post dated April 19, 2004 at 1:50 p.m.

Other than that I agree with your post in this thread.

70C is a little too warm in my opinion.

AMD Athlon chips depending on variety can run up to 85 - 90% C but I haven't seen one running over 60%C yet.

My Athlon 3200+ runs at 38 - 52% C from what I can tell and at the odd times I actually check it. This is with NO case fan, rounded IDE cables and a stock standard CPU fan ( came with the CPU )

The CPU fan was installed using Arctic Silver very carefully. One drop then used a razor blade to make sure the compound only filled the hills and valleys as it were.

I have to admit that it is not easy to get an exact temp and I know that sensors don't always do the job correctly. 		Elephant (599)
244338 2004-06-14 10:17:00 > Did you not advise that rounded cables will not
> reduce the temperature very much in the above thread?
> Have a look at your post dated April 19, 2004 at 1:50
> p . m .
>
> Other than that I agree with your post in this
> thread .
>



Yes indeed,I did wonder if someone would mention that thread as i posted in this topic,and i still believe that rounded cables do not fix bad case desin,however it would be folly to state that certain steps won't help air flow (but still wont fix bad case design)

so,well spotted .

I still believe that the issue should be fixed at the source,and that system builders should be held accountable for there workmanship,using a bad designed case and messy wiring is just sloppy . 		metla (154)
244339 2004-06-14 10:26:00 Agreed 100% Metla. There should be no excuse for sloppy cable routing.

I do know that my rounded cables look nice though. :-) 		Elephant (599)
244340 2004-06-14 10:34:00 Well, I don't think there is a chance of getting a new/more fans/heatsink whatever.

We took it in, and they put a bigger fan in, that did absolutely nothing.

PC1 is Athlon Xp 2100, Geforce Ti 4200, 1gig Ram
Laptop is 1.6ghz centrino, 32mb F5200 GO, with latest available GO drivers from Toshiba, which is 45.63 or something. 		mejobloggs (264)
244341 2004-06-14 10:35:00 Oh, and what I really want to know, is how to find out what is causing the software problems or conficts that make it crash. mejobloggs (264)
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